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[Higgenbotham]

Another obvious apparent inconsistency might be to ask what difference it makes whether Bernanke let the system collapse in 2008 or pumped it up and it collapsed later. Heck, a lot of great work in high tech got done in those 12 years and that's a good thing, right? It's a good thing if you can use it after the collapse starts to mitigate the collapse.

But my answer is that by doing so the collapse will be compressed to the point where it can't be mitigated by anything. If there had been a Depression 10 years ago, riots this year that could be controlled, and a World War in a few years, and everything is spread out over 16 years like it was from 1929 to 1945, that's different than if all these events hit at once, and they're much more severe on top of that.

[Higgenbotham]

As we pointed our clearly from Dents projections from needs analysis eighty percent are brain damaged and half of those are nice people.
Scale up Flint and yes other zones as ignored as we are to actual issues we have to navigate.

A posted here, the trend in motion is that IQs are dropping an average 7 points per generation across all classes and all countries.

[aeden]

I read a study up to nine H
scary indeed and they are clueless

F**k those liberal a$$holes... I just turned down a load from Miami to St Paul paying 3800; my life matters more than any other." tyler

They will harm others and are since the natural law means nothing to these media soaked cargo cultists.

Smart. Not enough money in the world to enter a no-go zone. As a trucker or a cop.

Get to the point the NG has to drive, shoot them.

[vincecate]

The reason I clarified that is the Scientific American article said the radiation from nuclear waste will be around for 250,000 years. Once the economy collapses, there are likely to be hundreds of Fukushimas as the radiation in spent fuel ponds is released.

Given that, how does it make sense that a bottom would be achieved in 2 or 3 centuries, as I've been saying?

The waste can not make a critical mass chain reaction like Fukushima. That is not a physical possibility. The stuff will just sit there and slowly become less radioactive. It can not make hundreds of Fukushimas. It can not destroy civilization. If this is the basis for your dark age then there is no basis for it.

The isotopes that are highly radioactive, and giving off significant energy, have short half lives and so go away fast. The stuff with long half lives gives off so little energy it is not much of a problem. There are only like 100 reactors in the USA. If the stuff is left there to decay it would not be wise to drink from a well near one of these plants in 50 to 100 years but that does not threaten civilization.

Chernobyl is much worse situation than just some turned off reactor. Animals are living around it just fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwUNTeDVnGs

[Higgenbotham]

The reason I clarified that is the Scientific American article said the radiation from nuclear waste will be around for 250,000 years. Once the economy collapses, there are likely to be hundreds of Fukushimas as the radiation in spent fuel ponds is released.

Given that, how does it make sense that a bottom would be achieved in 2 or 3 centuries, as I've been saying?

The waste can not make a critical mass chain reaction like Fukushima. That is not a physical possibility. The stuff will just sit there and slowly become less radioactive. It can not make hundreds of Fukushimas. It can not destroy civilization. If this is the basis for your dark age then there is no basis for it.

I didn't say the tidal wave the hit Fukushima in March 2011 is the equivalent of what will happen at every other nuclear plant; it's that the current state of Fukushima will be the approximate current state of every abandoned nuclear plant, and on top of that every abandoned landfill and industrial site throughout the industrialized world.

[aeden]

The total area of the zone was about 1,017 square miles (2,634 square km), which was later expanded to 1,600 square miles
(4,143 square km) to include additional areas that were later found to be heavily radiated.

We loose cooling for power multiply it by 100 in North America alone.
The waste pool rods are stored on site also.
Given the proximity of sites the actual water supplies the coastal plains are finished.

The fission creates radioactive isotopes of lighter elements such as cesium-137 and strontium-90. These isotopes, called "fission products," account for most of the heat and penetrating radiation in high-level waste. Second, some uranium atoms capture neutrons produced during fission. These atoms form heavier elements such as plutonium. These heavier-than-uranium, or "transuranic," elements do not produce nearly the amount of heat or penetrating radiation that fission products do, but they take much longer to decay. Transuranic wastes, sometimes called TRU, account for most of the radioactive hazard remaining in high-level waste after 1,000 years.

Radioactive isotopes eventually decay, or disintegrate, to harmless materials. Some isotopes decay in hours or even minutes, but others decay very slowly. Strontium-90 and cesium-137 have half-lives of about 30 years (half the radioactivity will decay in 30 years). Plutonium-239 has a half-life of 24,000 years.

We are forty miles away from a event producer. Given the prevailing winds is not enough.

The numbers seen in Japan in 240,000 years it will be paradise for that area. Data fragility is real so here we are.

No basis for Japan existed either so it was ignored from the engineers that warned them the outdated and dangerous models.
The financial engineers told them to fuck off.

The only reason we are not MSR is because they are stupid.

[Higgenbotham]

We loose cooling for power multiply it by 100 in North America alone.

Possible, but my basis for going into a dark age isn't dependent on this happening.

The waste pool rods are stored on site also.

This is what I'm talking about and it's really a best case.

Given the proximity of sites the actual water supplies the coastal plains are finished.

This is something I hadn't thought of, but it seems very likely that you are correct.

[aeden]

https://www.lbwl.com/community/newsroom ... nergy-park

licenses are in play to retire assets not needed or wanted
I will stick to regional maps since the studies are available to risk management
our basin is 44 million water users and will recheck on the straights hydrocarbon issues we noted
no excuse not to reroute or abandon in place a pipeline risking supply
a viable model undeground
it was tied up in legal since they know they can away with it
as noted they depended on telemetry and I wrote the senator then about the digital diseases
he was assured it was safe
over 800000 gal spilled from educated idiots who assured it could not happen

99-year agreements to run oil and gas through a tunnel-encased pipeline under the Straits of Mackinac was a go

The project is estimated to take seven to 10 years. Only after would Line 5, which sits on the Straits of Mackinac lake floor, be decommissioned.
Critics worry the 65-year-old pipeline could spill during that time.

Better than the initial risk map of ignore it

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 113471002/

given the tar sands issue and national security issues of what flows in it cannot be made public underground was welcome if not painful for some

"The Line 5 tunnel project will not only be one of the safest pipelines in the country; it will serve as a critical piece of infrastructure moving Michigan into the future.” cmauger@detroitnews.com

[vincecate]

I didn't say the tidal wave the hit Fukushima in March 2011 is the equivalent of what will happen at every other nuclear plant; it's that the current state of Fukushima will be the approximate current state of every abandoned nuclear plant, and on top of that every abandoned landfill and industrial site throughout the industrialized world.

Again, a reactor that is shut down is not the same as a rector that has melted down and spent fuel can not melt down. So there is no logical reason to think USA reactors end up like Fukushima.

But, for the sake of discussion, lets assume that for all 100 nuclear reactors in the USA they blocked off 40 miles by 40 miles (1,600 sq miles) around each. How does this bring a dark age?

[Higgenbotham]

I didn't say the tidal wave the hit Fukushima in March 2011 is the equivalent of what will happen at every other nuclear plant; it's that the current state of Fukushima will be the approximate current state of every abandoned nuclear plant, and on top of that every abandoned landfill and industrial site throughout the industrialized world.

Again, a reactor that is shut down is not the same as a rector that has melted down and spent fuel can not melt down. So there is no logical reason to think USA reactors end up like Fukushima.

But, for the sake of discussion, lets assume that for all 100 nuclear reactors in the USA they blocked off 40 miles by 40 miles (1,600 sq miles) around each. How does this bring a dark age?

The uncontrolled spread of and inability to identify the sources of industrial waste will be a consequence of going into a dark age, not the cause of it. That will mostly happen after the collapse into the dark age and be one of the reasons that the dark age will last longer than a generation or two and have the effect of making the quality of life in the coming dark age worse than it was in any previous dark age.

To some extent, the existing controlled spread of industrial waste is helping to bring about a dark age due to the negative health and financial effects it has. For example, something like 17% of the economy is health care, much of it due to the negative health effects of industrial waste. Those effects are currently weighing on the system mostly in terms of increased medical costs and reduced productivity, for example, the reduction in IQs currently trending, as well as reduced life expectancy in the US.

The main cause of the dark age will be the financial collapse and breaking of supply chains. It will be reinforced by the collapse of national governments, starvation, local strife, and pandemics. I believe we're already seeing the tip of the iceberg of all of those items, but just the tip. After that, will come uncontrolled spreading of industrial waste which will make life during the coming dark age worse than previous dark ages "due to environmental damage and pollution." Industrial waste being just one part of "environmental damage and pollution," and nuclear waste being just a part of industrial waste.

My more specific predictions would be:

• There will be a major global financial panic and crisis. Supply chains will break, resulting in unavailability of critical raw materials and components. Global trade will begin to shut down. As it begins to become apparent that the supply chain linkages are permanently broken, the global interlinked financial markets will shut down and cease to exist. This will all happen very quickly. It will not take years from the initial panic.
• The focus of governments will turn to controlling their panicked and hungry populations. Due to lack of availability of imported goods and adequate storage "sufficient to reconstitute" a system consistent with nation state government, this will prove to be too little too late and most government will devolve to the local level as populations lose faith in their national governments and the national governments lose the resources and ability to control their populations.
• There will be no large scale nuclear war. Instead, the population will be culled through starvation, local strife (including settling of long-standing scores) and disease. Wave after wave of pandemics will sweep the world.
• Similar to national economies and governments, centralized utilities will fail or become so decrepit as to be unsafe and unusable. All centralized utilities including the power grid will shut down permanently.
• The initial worldwide kill rate during the first couple decades following the financial panic will exceed 90%. The global population will be in the range of a few tens of millions when the bottom is hit in two or three centuries. Similar to the last dark age, the world's largest cities will have a population on the order of 25,000 and a large town will be 1,000.
• Life during the coming dark age will be similar to the last dark age but worse due to environmental damage and pollution.