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[John]

** 20-Jun-2020 World View: India's Narendra Modi pacifies the Ladakh situation

India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi tried to tamp down the
nationalism and xenophobia that were stirred up by the horrific attack
in Ladakh earlier this week by Chinese soldiers, killing 20 India
soldiers.

In a speech given on Friday, Modi said:

> "Neither is anyone inside our territory nor is any of
> our post captured.

> Twenty of our bravehearts were martyred in Ladakh but not before
> they taught a lesson to those who raised an eye at Bharat Mata.

> I want to assure you that our forces will spare no effort to
> protect our nation. Today, we have the capability that no one can
> look at even an inch of our territory.

> While we have given a free hand to our armed forces,
> diplomatically too we have made our stand clear to China. India
> wants peace and friendship but protecting its sovereignty is
> supreme.

> Because of new infrastructure, especially along the LAC, our
> patrolling capability has gone up. Because of that alertness has
> gone up and events happening on the LAC are being
> reported."

(LAC stands for Line of Actual Control, referring to the nominal
boundary between the two countries.)

Modi was responding to widespread protests across India on Friday, and
demands by MP's to get revenge and retaliation against the Chinese.
Modi was apparently trying to pacify these demands.

** 19-Jun-20 World View -- Nationwide protests in India demand revenge against China
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e200619

• Iron rods studded with steel nails, used by Chinese soldiers
  to kill Indian soldiers

Modi's speech was ridiculed by his political opposition, especially
the implication that the Chinese had not entered Indian territory.
Opposition MP Rahul Gandhi tweeted: "PM has surrendered Indian
territory to Chinese aggression. If the land was Chinese: Why were our
soldiers killed? Where were they killed."

Gandhi was alluding to the fact that neither Chinese nor India
officials have made any public statements about what actually
happened. Unconfirmed reports claim that Chinese soldiers crossed
into Indian territory and unarmed Indian soldiers with barbaric
weapons, including iron rod studded with steel nails, killing 20.
No deaths of Chinese soldiers have been confirmed.

Modi's office posted his speech on the Chinese social media app
WeChat. However, Chinese censors deleted the speech, for "national
security" reasons. Chinese officials are apparently taking steps to
prevent China's public from learning anything about the incident.

There's also the strange situation that media reports on Friday say
that China has returned 10 Indian soldiers who were captured on
Monday, but neither the Chinese nor the Indians are willing to comment
on it.

This is certainly not the end of this story. The barbaric actions by
the Chinese soldiers indicate a fury and hatred of Indians that go far
beyond a desire to take control of a small strip of land. And Indians
will be certain to seek revenge for the barbaric attack at some time
in the not too distant future.

---- Sources:

-- India / Ladakh / "Nobody Inside Our Borders, Our Posts Have Not
Been Occupied": PM Modi
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/our-pos ... sh-2249159
(New Delhi TV, 20-Jun-2020)

-- ‘Mischievous’: PMO responds to barbs over Modi remarks on Ladakh
face-off
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 6u0yH.html
(Hindustan Times, 20-Jun-2020)

-- India posts PM Modi’s remarks on Ladakh face-off, China’s WeChat
app deletes it
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... rMgVP.html
(Hindustan Times, 20-Jun-2020)

[Guest]

** 20-Jun-2020 World View: India's Narendra Modi pacifies the Ladakh situation

India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi tried to tamp down the
nationalism and xenophobia that were stirred up by the horrific attack
in Ladakh earlier this week by Chinese soldiers, killing 20 India
soldiers.

(snip)

Not sure that was the best path (personally) for Modi to take. Indians want some kind of punitive measure against China that is "out in the open". Ramping up in the disputed territory isn't exactly a visceral thing that will placate them.

Of course China has it's own problems and can't afford to cede anything at the moment. Something's gonna have to give, though.

Everyone keeping quiet on details of the incident, going into gut feeling territory here, indicates to me this event was worse than it has so far been reported as being (and it sounds pretty bad already)...to the degree that both governments would rather hush it up than stir up their citizens.

[Guest]

** 20-Jun-2020 World View: India's Narendra Modi pacifies the Ladakh situation

India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi tried to tamp down the
nationalism and xenophobia that were stirred up by the horrific attack
in Ladakh earlier this week by Chinese soldiers, killing 20 India
soldiers.

(snip)

Not sure that was the best path (personally) for Modi to take. Indians want some kind of punitive measure against China that is "out in the open". Ramping up in the disputed territory isn't exactly a visceral thing that will placate them.

Of course China has it's own problems and can't afford to cede anything at the moment. Something's gonna have to give, though.

Everyone keeping quiet on details of the incident, going into gut feeling territory here, indicates to me this event was worse than it has so far been reported as being (and it sounds pretty bad already)...to the degree that both governments would rather hush it up than stir up their citizens.

I think China already has a plan in motion.

[Guest]

I can't believe the American people have turned their country over to mob rule. America is now Zimbabwe. Congrats. I guess.

Over 40 million unemployed, I'd say that's it over.

[Guest]

In 2020, returning to the city for the most efficient and effective professionals is an unlikely scenario, no matter what liberals wish to believe. Talent is global and cities are repulsive collectives of the worse that humanity has to offer and now they are disease filled.

When city folk look out from their 9th floor walk up upon the streets littered with refuse and the retched masses yearning to breath free their thoughts return to those idyllic scenes of country life from movies and childhood vacations. Add in a pandemic, societal unrest and rioting, the ever widening political divide and the decrepitude of the crumbling city infrastructure and it's no wonder people might be searching Zillow. People vote with their feet. If cities lose them to other smaller burbs or to the country itself it is merely the reverse of 400 years of country folk relocating to the city for opportunity. The internet has become the great leveler and people can now choose the cesspool or the river-glen. What would you pick?

If you were just talking about COVID-19 that might make your argument sound; but civil unrest and war in the cities will cause any law abiding city dweller to flee permanently. You have been spoiled, lulled into a false sense of security in cities by hard mayors like Rudy Giuliani. Now you have cream puffs like DeBlasio and like Mayor Dinkins before him, a slide into oblivion will happen/is happening. Violent crime will affect ALL city residents, not just the poor. When upper class white collar workers become victims of crime, when they see their friends and family assaulted ... or worse ... they will move out never to return. American cities are ruled by lazy, liberal blue staters who coddle criminals and punish their own police officers. The Ferguson effect will apply. Police will pull back. Violent crime and criminal gangs will flourish. It’s all so predictable. The amazing thing is that riotous gangs are protected from avenging vigilantes by the police they condemn.

Will the corporate headquarters pull out of the cities and surrounding suburbs? For the state of Minnesota (using that example because that's where the riots started) most of the large corporate headquarters are in Minneapolis-St Paul and surrounding suburbs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... Saint_Paul
Can these corporations afford to abandon their headquarters and build new at at time like this? If not, will the employees of these companies flee the cities knowing that no comparable job awaits them in the country?

[Guest]

Will the corporate headquarters pull out of the cities and surrounding suburbs? For the state of Minnesota (using that example because that's where the riots started) most of the large corporate headquarters are in Minneapolis-St Paul and surrounding suburbs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... Saint_Paul
Can these corporations afford to abandon their headquarters and build new at at time like this? If not, will the employees of these companies flee the cities knowing that no comparable job awaits them in the country?

Ho many corporations build their HQ these days? Most just lease office space. Urban cores have suffered a lot of damage and are still subject to lawlessness. And with the police being restrained for policing, the criminal classes have been emboldened and are on a rampage. The murder rate in LA has gone up 250% a week in the last month--let that sink in. Everyone I know in large or even small cities has seen civil unrest. Also, downtown business that support corporate employees have suffered even greater damage from being looted and burned by thugs. Where are employees going to buy lunch or even pick up a prescription? Even gas stations have been damaged and destroyed in the riots. Look at the SME eco-system that surrounds large companies, even florist shops and bars have been bankrupted.

Crime is the ulitmate concern. No decent employer would expect his employees to run a gauntlet every day while commuting.

Sixty percent of the Upper West Side of Manhattan is now empty. I don't know anyone (or of anyone) who plans to go back. These are highly skilled people who can work from home, so they will. The attractions of living in a big city: theater, nightlife, gourmet restaurants, shopping, have practically vanished in fiery blazes. Why pay $4000 a month for small apartment when you could rent a large house in a town with art theaters, galleries, and cafes for third of the money? The Arts will follow the money. Look at places like the Hamptons and Sante Fe, NM.

Also, employers can benefit from the scaling of wages and not having to pay for large office spaces in expensive urban areas.

Change is here to stay. If Biden wins the election, look for these same people to relocate again--overseas.

[Guest]

For the state of Minnesota (using that example because that's where the riots started) most of the large corporate headquarters are in Minneapolis-St Paul and surrounding suburbs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... Saint_Paul

That city has voted to defund the police; that's Mexcio. The skilled will flood out and leave the unskilled and lazy behind. Think Detroit after 1968.

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[Guest]

I can read the rhetoric and understand it, but neither of you answered the questions except to say that the large corporations around Minneapolis lease office space for their headquarters, which they don't.

These are the questions:

Will the corporate headquarters pull out of the cities and surrounding suburbs? Think companies like 3M Corporation, Target, Cargill, etc., which are the largest corporations around Minneapolis.
Can these corporations afford to abandon their headquarters and build new at at time like this? They have a lot of money invested in these buildings and locations. Do they just leave? Where do they go?
If not, will the employees of these companies flee the cities knowing that no comparable job awaits them in the country?

[Guest]

Chevron has had their research center in this slum for decades and never moved it.

https://www.bicmagazine.com/chevron-ric ... gy-center/

I knew a person who worked there over 30 years ago. One day he was driving to or from work and a brick was thrown through his windshield. He drove to the police station. The police asked him where it occurred and when he told them they said this has happened several times this week at that location and there's nothing we can do about it.

It was possible to live in Marin County and drive into the research center without passing through that neighborhood. That may be why the company never felt a need to move it. But any employee who lived in San Pablo, Pinole, Rodeo or Vallejo, and many did, had to pass through that area.

My bet would be that those headquarters around Minneapolis stay right where they are. If necessary, as thing evolve, the companies will employ their own police forces and they will be brutal. Shell has a police force in Nigeria. Read up on the history of the Shell police force in Nigeria and that might be more like what the future holds than corporations abandoning their investments and locations.

[Guest]

My bet would be that those headquarters around Minneapolis stay right where they are. If necessary, as thing evolve, the companies will employ their own police forces and they will be brutal. Shell has a police force in Nigeria. Read up on the history of the Shell police force in Nigeria and that might be more like what the future holds than corporations abandoning their investments and locations.

The police weren't defunded in the 1970s. The police kept order (just barely) in NYC, but they were not restricted from doing their jobs. They are now.

Shell has a police force in Nigeria. Read up on the history of the Shell police force in Nigeria and that might be more like what the future holds than corporations abandoning their investments and locations.

How would private security groups be allowed to act like Blackwater in Iraq in Minneapolis when the police can't even police?

Obviously you have some kind of agenda. Do you own commercial property? I know people who do, and they are panicking. So real estate developers in large cities.

I'm going to bet with defunded police forces,crazy liberal local governments, and hyper aggressive thugs, these companies will get the hell out of Dodge. PERIOD. (To quote a really smuck governor.)