Generational Dynamics World View News

[Guest]

I think its crazy to live in a part of the country where freshwater isn't easily available.

I also would not want to live somewhere I will become a minority in the near future.

Human nature is what it is.

You would think this would be obvious, but in today's insane liberal culture, common sense is racist. And then, when the danger people are in becomes apparent to even the most liberal, it's too late (Unless, of course, you are Tom Hanks. Then you jet away and leave your fans to die horrific deaths.)

This is America. With open borders and sky high (Black and Latino) and rock bottom (white) birthrates, the die is cast. I'm not being racist, unless you consider stating an obvious truth as being racist. I think reality based thinking is now needed more than ever. I think America a lost cause unless the country breaks up along racial lines.

Blacks think they are going take over the US. They are dead wrong. The Mexicans will slaughter them. I have lived in cities with large black and Mexican populations, and the violence between them is out of control. That's never reported in the media. They do everything they can to avoid reporting the true facts that everyone knows. Both Blacks and Latinos victimized whites. I moved away from the state
years ago. Call it an escape.

I have seen the results of open borders with my own eyes. I don't have the money that rich people have to protect myself from the real world. I took a huge loss on my home to leave. I'm glad I left.

I have no interest in ever returning to a diverse city ever again. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll have any choice in the future. All that is left to do is leave America. If you have children, you should.

[Trevor]

I haven't done all that much to prepare, but then again, I'm not sure how much it would ultimately do, anyway. There are times I'm hoping this disaster won't unfold after all, since we're nearly in 2021 and things have still yet to explode.

If the worst happens, I expect who survives and who dies will often come down to luck. How healthy you are, how devastated your home is, some cities being hit harder by nuclear weapons than others, and so on. When it comes to nuclear weapons, the number of casualties could even be due to the city's weather (Smog and clouds both absorb thermal radiation, which inflicts most of the casualties from strategic-level warheads)

Long-term casualties mostly wouldn't be from nuclear winter and fallout. Lethal levels of fallout lasts only a few weeks, even in very hard hit (usually well away from population centers) areas. Firestorms are unlikely in modern cities, which models fail to take into account. Even by 1945 standards, Japanese cities were much more vulnerable than their German counterparts.

The big danger is, with much of the infrastructure destroyed, food transportation will be impossible. The United States might be able to pull itself through, since we've got caches of emergency supplies, along with domestic oil and gas (Though things still won't be pleasant) However, for those living in China and India, who struggle to feed their populations even in good times, we'd see death on a previously unimaginable scale. Poor countries will be hit hardest, even those not directly hit by nuclear strikes.

[tim]

** 12-Dec-2020 World View: Wisdom, Madness and Folly

> John, I understand Generational Dynamics and have read The Fourth
> Turning.

> I have made several important life decisions based off your work
> and even so I am surprised to see things falling apart even when I
> understand why they should.

> Maybe this is knowledge that we were not meant to learn as a
> species or are unable to do anything with except be spectators.

> I don't know which is worse.

I'm curious to know what life decisions you've made on the basis of my
work.

As I'm sure you're aware, you're asking some very deep philosophical
life and death questions that have different answers for everyone.

Forgot to log in when I posted that.

I moved far away from family, friends, and everything I have known after researching into which areas of the country are most likely to be less impacted by the coming crisis. Nuclear targets, highly populated areas of starving people, racial conflicts, etc.

I took a job that most people would not do to live in a rural remote area.

I have been working and preparing for the collapse of civilization.

While most people vacation to other countries, I spend my free time out in the woods at my remote location. This has given me ideas of what I need and how life will be like when the trucks stop delivering to stores.

My ideas on financial advice are different then most people. Your average American thinks the stock market is going to go up forever and wouldn't touch any of it. The option exists to use that money now and pay off your house. I am of the mindset if you can't hold it in your hand you don't own it. My relatives and everyone I talk to are caught in the bubble and can't see the larger view of the cycle.

Next years project is building a concrete structure, primarily to be used as a fallout shelter and a second home should something happen to the house. Today this is considered crazy yet in the 1950's the generation who experienced total war were all building these kinds of shelters in the backyards and basements. We had an entire Civil Defense at one point....

Since every nuclear weapon will be used, living with fallout will be the reality. You think people and the government were caught off guard by COVID-19, just wait until fallout is everywhere and you will have to shelter periodically from it.

I am partly inspired by this story of a family living in Russia who was so remote they didn't know WWII occurred: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... i-7354256/

TLDR, I moved far away and started my life over working a job most people wouldn't do and have lived my life in preparation for the Fourth Turning.

[tim]

I haven't done all that much to prepare, but then again, I'm not sure how much it would ultimately do, anyway. There are times I'm hoping this disaster won't unfold after all, since we're nearly in 2021 and things have still yet to explode.

If the worst happens, I expect who survives and who dies will often come down to luck. How healthy you are, how devastated your home is, some cities being hit harder by nuclear weapons than others, and so on. When it comes to nuclear weapons, the number of casualties could even be due to the city's weather (Smog and clouds both absorb thermal radiation, which inflicts most of the casualties from strategic-level warheads)

To continue from above on philosophy/religion:

While in the woods I spend time in deep thought.

Sometimes I think knowing about the 80 year cycle is against our nature or God's will. If I had not learned of the cycle myself I would have followed my peers and stayed in the city, settling down and having children with family close by. We would have suffered, died, or survived together. Maybe that was the bigger picture and what was suppose to happen as directed by God or nature. Whatever time I would have been given with a young family and children was all that was ever allowed by fate.

If I survive longer into the crisis or completely survive due to the decisions I have made, I will spend the rest of my life likely knowing almost everyone I have ever known has suffered beyond imagination or died. Would the time that I would have spent with family and friends before the crisis have been considered a better "life" even if I had died earlier then doing what I am doing now?

Yet getting out of the city and into nature I see nature for what it is. Nature is cruel and shows no mercy. There is no harmony in nature like what city people think. Animals show no mercy to one another and will kill the offspring of each other with no hesitation. Animals eat each other alive. They are purely survival machines and do what it takes to survive at all costs. While they are not capable of war, I believe if they had the brain power to band together and go to war they would.

In the plant world you have trees racing for sunlight to block out the sunlight of all other plants. Even in the plant world there is no mercy.

Learning and understanding the 80 year cycle could also be seen as a fight for survival if you have the intelligence and will to act after you learn of the theory. Does attempting to survive the natural cycles of man fall into the same category as a squirrel burying nuts for the winter? God or nature has given us the brain power to learn of and understand the 80 year cycle. Why would the struggle to survive against the Fourth Turning be any different then struggling against famine, war, disease, etc. for our species?

Of all the people I have talked to and explained the 80 year cycle only one other person read the material and understood it. The people I have told are not stupid people, they are highly educated and intelligent. This is why I think knowing the cycle is unnatural.

Just some ramblings of someone living on the fringes of society.... maybe I have read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius one to many times

[Guest]

All that is left to do is leave America. If you have children, you should.

I wouldn't go to England or Ireland. They are totally cucked.

[Guest]

I don't have an issue with wealthy people in general, but wealthy Marxists scare the hell out of me.

[John]

** 13-Dec-2020 World View: Generational Dynamics, philosophy and religion

> John, I understand Generational Dynamics and have read The Fourth
> Turning.

> I have made several important life decisions based off your work
> and even so I am surprised to see things falling apart even when I
> understand why they should.

> Maybe this is knowledge that we were not meant to learn as a
> species or are unable to do anything with except be spectators.

> I don't know which is worse.

> I moved far away from family, friends, and everything I have known
> after researching into which areas of the country are most likely
> to be less impacted by the coming crisis. Nuclear targets, highly
> populated areas of starving people, racial conflicts, etc.

> I took a job that most people would not do to live in a rural
> remote area.

> I have been working and preparing for the collapse of
> civilization.

> While most people vacation to other countries, I spend my free
> time out in the woods at my remote location. This has given me
> ideas of what I need and how life will be like when the trucks
> stop delivering to stores.

> My ideas on financial advice are different then most people. Your
> average American thinks the stock market is going to go up forever
> and wouldn't touch any of it. The option exists to use that money
> now and pay off your house. I am of the mindset if you can't hold
> it in your hand you don't own it. My relatives and everyone I talk
> to are caught in the bubble and can't see the larger view of the
> cycle.

> Next years project is building a concrete structure, primarily to
> be used as a fallout shelter and a second home should something
> happen to the house. Today this is considered crazy yet in the
> 1950's the generation who experienced total war were all building
> these kinds of shelters in the backyards and basements. We had an
> entire Civil Defense at one point....

> Since every nuclear weapon will be used, living with fallout will
> be the reality. You think people and the government were caught
> off guard by COVID-19, just wait until fallout is everywhere and
> you will have to shelter periodically from it.

> I am partly inspired by this story of a family living in Russia
> who was so remote they didn't know WWII occurred:
> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... i-7354256/

> TLDR, I moved far away and started my life over working a job most
> people wouldn't do and have lived my life in preparation for the
> Fourth Turning.

> To continue from above on philosophy/religion:

> While in the woods I spend time in deep thought.

> Sometimes I think knowing about the 80 year cycle is against our
> nature or God's will. If I had not learned of the cycle myself I
> would have followed my peers and stayed in the city, settling down
> and having children with family close by. We would have suffered,
> died, or survived together. Maybe that was the bigger picture and
> what was suppose to happen as directed by God or nature. Whatever
> time I would have been given with a young family and children was
> all that was ever allowed by fate.

> If I survive longer into the crisis or completely survive due to
> the decisions I have made, I will spend the rest of my life likely
> knowing almost everyone I have ever known has suffered beyond
> imagination or died. Would the time that I would have spent with
> family and friends before the crisis have been considered a better
> "life" even if I had died earlier then doing what I am doing now?

> Yet getting out of the city and into nature I see nature for what
> it is. Nature is cruel and shows no mercy. There is no harmony in
> nature like what city people think. Animals show no mercy to one
> another and will kill the offspring of each other with no
> hesitation. Animals eat each other alive. They are purely survival
> machines and do what it takes to survive at all costs. While they
> are not capable of war, I believe if they had the brain power to
> band together and go to war they would.

> In the plant world you have trees racing for sunlight to block out
> the sunlight of all other plants. Even in the plant world there is
> no mercy.

> Learning and understanding the 80 year cycle could also be seen as
> a fight for survival if you have the intelligence and will to act
> after you learn of the theory. Does attempting to survive the
> natural cycles of man fall into the same category as a squirrel
> burying nuts for the winter? God or nature has given us the brain
> power to learn of and understand the 80 year cycle. Why would the
> struggle to survive against the Fourth Turning be any different
> then struggling against famine, war, disease, etc. for our
> species?

> Of all the people I have talked to and explained the 80 year cycle
> only one other person read the material and understood it. The
> people I have told are not stupid people, they are highly educated
> and intelligent. This is why I think knowing the cycle is
> unnatural.

> Just some ramblings of someone living on the fringes of
> society.... maybe I have read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius one
> too many times

This is a remarkable narrative. You really should expand it into a
full-scale essay, or even a small book. If you're interested, if you
send me a doc file I could publish your book on Amazon along with my
other books. You would still be able to republish your book later
with a "legitimate" publisher, if you found one that's interested.

[FullMoon]

Tim, please write more. Thank you for very interesting perspective.
I read Navigator's book recently, it's good information and helpful. Much appreciated. For anyone else getting life saving help and perspective from this forum and John, please contribute and get the book.

[Higgenbotham]

Of all the people I have talked to and explained the 80 year cycle only one other person read the material and understood it. The people I have told are not stupid people, they are highly educated and intelligent. This is why I think knowing the cycle is unnatural.

My conclusion is that it can't be lack of intelligence that makes people believe in improbable optimistic scenarios and reject probable pessimistic scenarios. I believe it has to do with the brain structure of humans and how human brains have been adapted to work. That being, as an adaptive mechanism, normal human brains assimilate and hard wire in optimistic scenarios. Once the optimistic scenario is accepted and hard wired in nothing can replace it in normal human brains and this is why panic occurs when reality sets in. Some human brains like mine and most of the other posters here do not automatically hard wire in optimistic scenarios, but our brains are an anomaly and not properly adapted for survival except during an actual collapse situation.

As an example of that, let's look at two of the most successful humans on the planet, Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos. As I've noted previously, Gates believes civilization can't fall like Rome because of all the great technology we have. Bezos believes that humans will colonize the solar system and number in the hundreds of billions. It's their wild optimism that gave them the impetus to accomplish the improbable things they accomplished.

And I agree that what you've written is truly remarkable, rare and valuable to the world.

Edit: Bezos starts this talk about his initiative into space exploration after a replay of the moon landing: "Wow! If that does not inspire you, you are at the wrong event. You don't choose your passions, your passions choose you. When I was five years old, I watched what you just rewatched and it had a huge impact on me. And it hasn't changed. None of that passion has gone away." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ98hGUe6FM The optimistic scenario began to be accepted and hard wired in at the age of 5.

[Burner Prime]

Blacks think they are going take over the US. They are dead wrong. The Mexicans will slaughter them. I have lived in cities with large black and Mexican populations, and the violence between them is out of control. That's never reported in the media. They do everything they can to avoid reporting the true facts that everyone knows. Both Blacks and Latinos victimized whites. I moved away from the state
years ago. Call it an escape.

I have seen the results of open borders with my own eyes. I don't have the money that rich people have to protect myself from the real world. I took a huge loss on my home to leave. I'm glad I left.

I have no interest in ever returning to a diverse city ever again. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll have any choice in the future. All that is left to do is leave America. If you have children, you should.

Again 'Guest' demonstrates that he has seen things with his own eyes and knows what he's talking about. I grew up in a heavy Latino community, my family and friends intermarried with Mexicans, not to mention my countless Mexican friends since childhood. My neighborhood was one very small step up from the worst barrios. We had murders and major drug busts a few houses down. I also worked and lived in close quarters with Blacks when I was in the military. People like us still maintain close connections, contacts, and pay attention to the pulse of those communities.

To John's credit, I think most of us, me for sure, have made life decisions based on John's predictions and the logic behind Generational Dynamics. There is no place better to find clear-eyed analysis of current world events. But being in an academic bubble in Cambridge leaves him with some blind spots. Anyway I do have an exit strategy and been moving assets outside the USD to avoid confiscation and loss of value.

---"That's never reported in the media. "

We all know this and can't limit our understanding to what's reported in the internet media. In the real world and one the media wouldn't dare report, is what Guest posted: Mexicans and Blacks hate each other for the most part. Also Blacks hate Koreans who own all the shops in their 'hoods.
In prison is where you see society distilled to its finest, where there are no police or social padding allowing ethnic peoples to get along begrudgingly. They are essentially in cease-fire mode at all times and actively prepare for war to pop off at any time. Ethnic groups are either actively kept apart by the prison admin, or enforced by each ethnic group. In our world when SHTF, you will likely see these divides extend as well.

So here's some stuff not reported in the media, but illustrates what Guest is talking about. US Mexicans will defend their barrios with force including gunfire from Blacks who foolishly think they can enter their territory and loot as they do their own communities. In every violent encounter between Blacks and Mexicans, the Mexicans will employ force more fiercely and without hesitation. Keep in mind this is in the US and you can bet that if society breaks down this will be 10x worse and open warfare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFIBqM1EoVQ