Generational Dynamics World View News

Discussion of Web Log and Analysis topics from the Generational Dynamics web site.
John
Posts: 11501
Joined: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:10 pm
Location: Cambridge, MA USA
Contact:

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Post by John »

** 27-May-2021 World View: Core Principles
Xeraphim1 wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 4:25 pm
> You must be young. I was where you are now some 25+ years ago. You
> learn to not take such things personally after a while.

> I belong to a party of one and I'm not admitting new members. I
> have no political allies, only co-belligerents.

> And you really need to get off the petro-dollar thing. You're
> using it as a shorthand for a bunch of complicated and
> interconnected things.
DaKardii wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 5:50 pm
> Yes, I am young. 25, to be exact. Maybe this just a phase for me,
> I don't know.

> All I have to say is that right now I'm totally disillusioned with
> just about everything in American politics. I feel like Syndrome,
> the villain of The Incredibles, when he says: "You can't
> count on anyone, especially your heroes."
Tom Mazanec wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 7:53 pm
> I feel the sane way about American politics. And I am 63.
For what it's worth, I haven't voted at all in 20 years, since I
started writing about Generational Dynamics. I wanted to keep
Generational Dynamics to be completely free of ideology, and if you
vote for someone, then you'll end up allowing your vote to affect what
you've written. So I've written over 6,000 articles for my web site,
and they're all ideology-free, and haven't been tainted by my voting
for anyone. And that's why they've been so accurate.

However, my attitudes are quite different from any of yours.
Generally speaking, I look at a war the same way that I look at an
earthquake. That it, you don't blame an earthquake on a politician,
and I (generally) don't blame a war on a politician. Wars are almost
always "bottom-up," not "top-down."

Long-time readers are aware of the following, that I've written in
some form dozens of times in the last 15 years:
> Core Principle of Generational Dynamics:

> "Even in a dictatorship, major decisions are made by masses of
> people, entire generations of people, and not by politicians.
> Thus, Hitler was not the cause of WW II or the Holocaust. What
> politicians say or do is irrelevant, except insofar as their
> actions reflect the attitudes of the people that they represent,
> and so politicians can neither cause nor prevent the great events
> of history -- but can only bring about marginal
> adjustments."
The Core Principle applies to Biden, to Trump, to Obama, to Xi
Jinping, and to all politicians.

Navigator
Posts: 1020
Joined: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:15 pm

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Post by Navigator »

John wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 8:28 pm

Generally speaking, I look at a war the same way that I look at an
earthquake. That it, you don't blame an earthquake on a politician,
and I (generally) don't blame a war on a politician. Wars are almost
always "bottom-up," not "top-down."

Long-time readers are aware of the following, that I've written in
some form dozens of times in the last 15 years:
> Core Principle of Generational Dynamics:

> "Even in a dictatorship, major decisions are made by masses of
> people, entire generations of people, and not by politicians.
> Thus, Hitler was not the cause of WW II or the Holocaust. What
> politicians say or do is irrelevant, except insofar as their
> actions reflect the attitudes of the people that they represent,
> and so politicians can neither cause nor prevent the great events
> of history -- but can only bring about marginal
> adjustments."
The Core Principle applies to Biden, to Trump, to Obama, to Xi
Jinping, and to all politicians.
Hence my quote in bold from Barbara Tuchman regarding "The Proud Tower" on the last page. She came to the same conclusion.

John
Posts: 11501
Joined: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:10 pm
Location: Cambridge, MA USA
Contact:

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Post by John »

** 27-May-2021 World View: Grosse Politik
John wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 8:28 pm
> The Core Principle applies to Biden, to Trump, to Obama, to Xi
> Jinping, and to all politicians.
Navigator wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 8:34 pm
> Hence my quote in bold from Barbara Tuchman regarding "The Proud
> Tower" on the last page. She came to the same conclusion.
I guess you must be referring to this:
Navigator wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 5:48 pm
> “The Grosse Politik approach has been used up. Besides, it is
> misleading because it allows us to rest on the easy illusion that
> it is ‘they,’ the naughty statesmen, who are always responsible
> for war while ‘we,’ the innocent people, are merely led. That
> impression is a mistake.”
That's very insightful.

John
Posts: 11501
Joined: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:10 pm
Location: Cambridge, MA USA
Contact:

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Post by John »

** 27-May-2021 World View: Wuhan Coronavirus origin

This is becoming an explosive issue internationally. It's already
explosive in Australia, and now Biden and the Democrats, who are
already severely compromised by China, are being forced to acknowledge
it. He's appointed a 90-day commission in the hope that it will bury
the issue and it will simply go away in the meantime, but that doesn't
seem likely.

In the Generational Dynamics forum we talk about different scenarios
that might lead to WW III -- attack on Taiwan, clash in the South
China Sea, Pakistan-India war, etc. But this Wuhan Virology Lab issue
is becoming more and more potent. If there's an international
consensus that the virus escaped from the Wuhan lab, that China
covered it up repeatedly, but protected itself while intentionlly
infecting hundreds of other countries, this could either lead directly
to war, or else turn into an existential threat internally for Xi
Jinping and the CCP.

The CCP are already becoming desperate over this issue. The following
was the angry comment from China's Foreign Ministry spokesman on
Thursday:
> "However, some in the US, turning a blind eye to
> facts, science, the questionable study of origins and botched
> response at home, kept clamoring for additional investigation in
> China. This shows that they don't care about facts or truth and
> have zero interest in a serious science-based study of
> origins. Their one aim is to use the pandemic to pursue
> stigmatization and political manipulation to shift the blame. They
> are being disrespectful to science, irresponsible to people's
> lives, and counter-productive to concerted global efforts to fight
> the virus. With 33 million confirmed cases and 600,000 deaths from
> COVID-19, both the highest in the world, the US, instead of
> examining its own behavior, attempted to scapegoat China. What are
> they up to? Can they sleep at night with a troubled conscience?

> What secrets are hidden in the suspicion-shrouded Fort Detrick and
> the over 200 US bio-labs all over the world? In July 2019, there
> were reports on the unexplained outbreaks of respiratory disease
> in northern Virginia and on the subsequent EVALI outbreaks in
> Wisconsin. What's hidden there? When will the US release detailed
> data and information on relevant cases? It owes an explanation to
> the world.

> The US keeps saying that it wants "China to participate in a full,
> transparent, evidence-based international investigation". Then we
> ask it to follow China's example and immediately start
> science-based cooperation with WHO on study of origins, conduct a
> full, transparent, evidence-based international investigation in
> the US, fully respond to international concerns, and contribute to
> mankind's early victory over the pandemic and better preparedness
> in the face of future public health emergencies.

> I would like to stress one final point. The motive and purpose of
> the US-driven "investigation" relying on its intelligence
> apparatus is crystal clear. In fact, US intelligence has a
> notorious track record, as the world has learned a long time
> ago. Its masterpieces include the test tube of laundry powder
> which was cited as evidence for weapons of mass destruction and
> the staged "White Helmets" video. Former US Secretary of State
> Mike Pompeo even boasted, "I was the CIA director, we lied, we
> cheated, we stole. We had entire training courses. It reminds you
> of the glory of the American experiment." How can anyone trust the
> findings from an "investigation" conducted by such an intelligence
> organ with no credibility to speak of?"
https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_6 ... 9105.shtml

A later news report announced that the CCP will refused to cooperate
any further with even a WHO investigation.

Guest

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Post by Guest »

Attorneys Reveal Ruthless 'Torture' of Imprisoned Capitol Riot Suspects, One Left Partially Blind with His Face Smashed Like a Tomato
Referring to Samsel, Sandlin said he “was severely beaten by correctional officers, [is now] blind in one eye, has a skull fracture and a detached retina,” Politico reported.
Sandlin also spoke of the racial tensions between the guards, who are primarily minority, and the suspects, who are mostly white. One guard shouted, “I hate all white people and your honky religion,” Sandlin said, according to Politico. Politico noted that several of the incursion suspects have been “publicly accused of membership in or association with white supremacist groups.”
One of Barnett’s attorneys, Joseph McBride of New York said, “There is a pattern of abuse and of targeting of the defendants who are being held pursuant to what happened on Jan. 6. It is targeted. It is ruthless. It is nonstop.”
Core Principle of Generational Dynamics:

> "Even in a dictatorship, major decisions are made by masses of
> people, entire generations of people, and not by politicians.
> Thus, Hitler was not the cause of WW II or the Holocaust. What
> politicians say or do is irrelevant, except insofar as their
> actions reflect the attitudes of the people that they represent,
> and so politicians can neither cause nor prevent the great events
> of history -- but can only bring about marginal
> adjustments."
https://www.westernjournal.com/attorney ... ke-tomato/

So here we are today. America has become Zimbabwe. Or would Bosnia be a better description?

If white cops were doing this to black BLM rioters, Biden would storm in there with AOC, shoot the cops, and free the black inmates. The racist hypocrisy of blacks and latinos can no longer be ignored. BLM was allowed to burndown America's cities without any real punishment. As Barbara Tuchman said, no one is being held accountable for their actions anymore>>>unless they are white conservatives.

P.S. I'm a foreign born American citizen and biracial, but even I can see what is happening. If America falls, then freedom will die. England has never really been free. Western Europe is hopelessly woke and Eastern Europe is run by gangsters. And Asia doesn't want you. Where will you go after the republic collapses? Mexico? Africa?

DaKardii
Posts: 955
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:17 am

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Post by DaKardii »

John wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 8:28 pm
However, my attitudes are quite different from any of yours.
Generally speaking, I look at a war the same way that I look at an
earthquake. That it, you don't blame an earthquake on a politician,
and I (generally) don't blame a war on a politician. Wars are almost
always "bottom-up," not "top-down."

Long-time readers are aware of the following, that I've written in
some form dozens of times in the last 15 years:
> Core Principle of Generational Dynamics:

> "Even in a dictatorship, major decisions are made by masses of
> people, entire generations of people, and not by politicians.
> Thus, Hitler was not the cause of WW II or the Holocaust. What
> politicians say or do is irrelevant, except insofar as their
> actions reflect the attitudes of the people that they represent,
> and so politicians can neither cause nor prevent the great events
> of history -- but can only bring about marginal
> adjustments."
The Core Principle applies to Biden, to Trump, to Obama, to Xi
Jinping, and to all politicians.
John wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 8:44 pm
Navigator wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 5:48 pm
> “The Grosse Politik approach has been used up. Besides, it is
> misleading because it allows us to rest on the easy illusion that
> it is ‘they,’ the naughty statesmen, who are always responsible
> for war while ‘we,’ the innocent people, are merely led. That
> impression is a mistake.”
That's very insightful.
These analyses are correct, and now that I think about it, perhaps they can just as easily be applied to crisis era domestic politics as to crisis era foreign policy.

DaKardii
Posts: 955
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:17 am

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Post by DaKardii »

John wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 10:21 pm
In the Generational Dynamics forum we talk about different scenarios
that might lead to WW III -- attack on Taiwan, clash in the South
China Sea, Pakistan-India war, etc. But this Wuhan Virology Lab issue
is becoming more and more potent. If there's an international
consensus that the virus escaped from the Wuhan lab, that China
covered it up repeatedly, but protected itself while intentionlly
infecting hundreds of other countries, this could either lead directly
to war, or else turn into an existential threat internally for Xi
Jinping and the CCP.
I 10,000% agree that the "Wuhan Lab" theory could lead directly to war.

On another note, both (1) Dr. Fauci's alleged involvement with the Wuhan lab; and (2) the fact that notorious neocon warmongers Mike Pompeo and Tom Cotton are among the loudest voices pushing this theory, will give arguably strong credence to the inevitable counterclaims that paint the US as the true villain in this story. These counterclaims could either dismiss this theory as a modern day equivalent of "Saddam has WMDs," go the extra mile and claim that the virus was leaked out of the Wuhan lab by an American spy, or go the double extra mile and claim that the virus did not originate in Wuhan or even in China, and instead came out of another lab operated by either the US or one of its allies.

At that point, there will be a global war of narratives. "Who's to blame, if anybody?" And the stakes would undoubtedly be extremely high, with both China and the US facing the prospect of being declared war on by much of the rest of the world if the other gets the upper hand.

On yet another note, one major disadvantage the US would have in such an information war is its Internet freedom (I, a libertarian, absolutely cringed when I wrote that; but it's actually true in this case). American citizens will have much easier access to Chinese counterclaims than Chinese citizens would have to American claims. This means that the risk of the people believing the other side and siding with it against their own government is significantly higher in the US than in China. If war breaks out over COVID, and if a significant percentage of the American people believe that the entire pandemic is America's fault, then there is no way in Hell we're winning. Most of those people will not fight at all, and some may even take up arms against Washington because they now see it as a greater evil than the CCP.
Last edited by DaKardii on Thu May 27, 2021 11:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.

DaKardii
Posts: 955
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:17 am

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Post by DaKardii »

Guest wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 10:32 pm
If America falls, then freedom will die.
You think America is still a beacon of freedom, even now? I wish that were true, but it isn't. It hasn't been since at least 2001, if not earlier.

DaKardii
Posts: 955
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:17 am

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Post by DaKardii »

Tom Mazanec wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 7:53 pm
I feel the sane way about American politics.
And I am 63.
Welcome to the club, Tom.

What's your story on how you got to that point? I'm curious.

User avatar
Tom Mazanec
Posts: 4199
Joined: Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:13 pm

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

Post by Tom Mazanec »

DaKardii wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 11:57 pm
Tom Mazanec wrote:
Thu May 27, 2021 7:53 pm
I feel the sane way about American politics.
And I am 63.
Welcome to the club, Tom.

What's your story on how you got to that point? I'm curious.
It's just been a gradual evolution of how I felt most of my life. I was a weak GOP as my father raised me after my mother's death, and he was a fanatic GOP, but I felt that anyone who would want to be POTUS should be disqualified on the grounds of insanity (joke I made in Social Science class at school). However, the GOP is prolife, so I stuck with them even as I disagreed with most other social positions of theirs. Finally, as I grew more concerned with AGW after fracking ended my Peak Oil concerns and the GOP became Denialist, that was just the straw that broke the camel's back and I became an Independent. I rejoined the GOP in 2016 just to vote for Kasich against Trump in the Primary, but ended up voting for the guy with the dead fox on his head in both 2016 and 2020 (as an Independent...although I tried to vote for GOP to support a library levy that turned out not even to be on the ballot in Twinsburg (long story)).
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

― G. Michael Hopf, Those Who Remain

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 164 guests