Generational Dynamics World View News

[Bob Butler]

The problem in Vietnam and Afghanistan is the US supported very corrupt governments that the people disliked. They had valid seeming reasons for intervention that centered on America, but they were not supporting a government that the people liked. I don't know that the situation is the same in South Korea, Taiwan or in other allied countries.

[Cool Breeze]

You say that the powers that be are targeting everyone. "Everyone is a target."

You also say that Indians and Africans are less adaptive. "they are far more fragile - much less adaptive."

If the powers that be are targeting everyone and Indians and Africans are less adaptive, shouldn't the Indian and African populations be going down faster then the population of white Americans?

Yes, and of course, we are talking about geopolitics and time frame. Your logic is correct, but the stressors aren't large enough, yet. That's sorta what this forum is about, btw.

If I understand, you are saying the stressors on white Americans were large enough to reduce their population over the past 10 years. But the stressors on Indians and Africans aren't large enough, yet, to reduce their populations.

If that is right, what are the stressors white Americans have been facing that Indians and Africans have not yet faced?

This could be a longer answer, but it is most simply stated by saying "Wealth and spiritual decay/demoralization".

It's a numbers issue largely too. The absolute loss will be enormous for the bigger populations, but it will also be higher percentage wise; that's because when you consider the move down in numbers (already closer to bottom of the barrel survival states population wise) there eventually is a buoying effect that is not there at the crazy high trad/subsistence living paradigm of poorer nations, as they move down from crazy high population levels.

Capiche?

[thomasglee]

I would like to know what things other forum members are worried about losing in the war.

People losing their faith. Mine is stronger than ever, but too many will lose their faith during the coming war.

[thomasglee]

The problem in Vietnam and Afghanistan is the US supported very corrupt governments that the people disliked. They had valid seeming reasons for intervention that centered on America, but they were not supporting a government that the people liked. I don't know that the situation is the same in South Korea, Taiwan or in other allied countries.

It was the same in South Korea until the Olympics came in 1988. It was the '88 Olympics, believe it or not, that saved Korea from another US government-supported despot.

[DaKardii]

** 16-Aug-2021 World View: Regeneracy event

> John, given the universal shock/outrage over Afghanistan, could
> this be the regeneracy event? Or is an attack on the homeland
> absolutely necessary?

No, absolutely not. Believe me, when an ACTUAL regeneracy event
occurs, you won't have to ask.

At minimum, at minimum, the regeneracy event will be something like another 9/11.

[Guest]

Yes, and of course, we are talking about geopolitics and time frame. Your logic is correct, but the stressors aren't large enough, yet. That's sorta what this forum is about, btw.

If I understand, you are saying the stressors on white Americans were large enough to reduce their population over the past 10 years. But the stressors on Indians and Africans aren't large enough, yet, to reduce their populations.

If that is right, what are the stressors white Americans have been facing that Indians and Africans have not yet faced?

This could be a longer answer, but it is most simply stated by saying "Wealth and spiritual decay/demoralization".

It's a numbers issue largely too. The absolute loss will be enormous for the bigger populations, but it will also be higher percentage wise; that's because when you consider the move down in numbers (already closer to bottom of the barrel survival states population wise) there eventually is a buoying effect that is not there at the crazy high trad/subsistence living paradigm of poorer nations, as they move down from crazy high population levels.

Capiche?

I think you would say wealth can go hand in hand with spiritual decay/demoralization, but it doesn't have to. In the case of white Americans in recent decades, it seems to have gone hand in hand.

By itself, I would not think of wealth as a stressor. It can mostly be the opposite. Wealth can provide relief from stress, but not always. Wouldn't spiritual decay/demoralization come about because of stressors and not be a stressor itself? What would those stressors be?

Can seeing and identifying "Wealth and spiritual decay/demoralization" all around you be used to make predictions of future population numbers? You are saying that is the stressor causing the population of white Americans to go down. Were you able to predict on this forum that the population of white Americans would fall almost 10% from 2010 to 2020 according to the Census numbers? Are you able to predict what the population of white Americans will be in the future out to 2030 and maybe even further by looking at "Wealth and spiritual decay/demoralization" and measuring it in some way?

[Xeraphim1]

Dude, where do you come up with this stuff?

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There are enough real dangers in the future that need to be looked at that ridiculous proclamations like this aren't just unhelpful, they're detrimental by sucking up attention.

This is a slight variation on the well-worn: "that opinion is dangerous" and the justification tech oligarchs use to "shut it down", or silence dissent. Maybe John will fall for it or not, have to wait and see. Nice try though.

America is retreating in the same way empires such as Spain, Portugal, Britain and the Dutch have. That is a GD prediction you can count on. The current catastrophe in Afghanistan is "Saigon on steroids", as a reporter put it. People like you get emotional about it and go into denial as part of your 7 stages of grief. Your anger is understandable as well. You know deep down what I say is probably true so you aim to "shut it down", much like the monkey who covers his ears. It's true that defeatism is infectious, so a wise commander would put the kibosh on fear and hesitancy on the part of his troops. Maybe you think you're accomplishing that in your small and pathetic way.

There are plenty of warrior class who are angry about the Biden Debacle as you are, angry about America's retreat on the world stage. Angry that anyone can say America could be defeated or run from a fight. For many warriors that is true, but not for the plurality. Not enough to save this dying corpse of a country.

Looters gonna loot, and they will strip the corpse clean while those in denial, the minority, fight to the last bullet and get marched off to Bataan. They also fought to the last bullet and lost.

No, it's exactly what it says. if you throw out unsubstantiated crap you divert attention from real issues. it's a troll tactic and trying to claim being silenced, when that hasn't happened, is another troll tactic.

[Guest]

Dude, where do you come up with this stuff?

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There are enough real dangers in the future that need to be looked at that ridiculous proclamations like this aren't just unhelpful, they're detrimental by sucking up attention.

This is a slight variation on the well-worn: "that opinion is dangerous" and the justification tech oligarchs use to "shut it down", or silence dissent. Maybe John will fall for it or not, have to wait and see. Nice try though.

America is retreating in the same way empires such as Spain, Portugal, Britain and the Dutch have. That is a GD prediction you can count on. The current catastrophe in Afghanistan is "Saigon on steroids", as a reporter put it. People like you get emotional about it and go into denial as part of your 7 stages of grief. Your anger is understandable as well. You know deep down what I say is probably true so you aim to "shut it down", much like the monkey who covers his ears. It's true that defeatism is infectious, so a wise commander would put the kibosh on fear and hesitancy on the part of his troops. Maybe you think you're accomplishing that in your small and pathetic way.

There are plenty of warrior class who are angry about the Biden Debacle as you are, angry about America's retreat on the world stage. Angry that anyone can say America could be defeated or run from a fight. For many warriors that is true, but not for the plurality. Not enough to save this dying corpse of a country.

Looters gonna loot, and they will strip the corpse clean while those in denial, the minority, fight to the last bullet and get marched off to Bataan. They also fought to the last bullet and lost.

No, it's exactly what it says. if you throw out unsubstantiated crap you divert attention from real issues. it's a troll tactic and trying to claim being silenced, when that hasn't happened, is another troll tactic.

I just spent a little time going back a few pages to get up to speed on what "unsubstantiated crap" and "real issues" were discussed and found this piece of the discussion.

In reality US forces are comprised of many ethnic groups with diverging interests, only held together by a generous welfare state, lots of free stuff from the Fed printing press. This is very similar to how Yugoslavia (a united multi-ethno-religious utopia) was held together and in a similar way the US will fragment.

People serving in the US military are not "many ethnic groups with diverging interests, only held together by a generous welfare state, lots of free stuff from the Fed printing press." If you really believe that you need to put down the bong and try again. And, no, US forces are not cowards when they don't have air support. What they do have is a doctrine that says that that they are valuable resources and shouldn't be trading their lives for things unless it's vital. Since inducting and training a new soldier can cost upwards of a million dollars and several years, yes, they should let a JDAM or artillery or something else do the work. The US has long had a doctrine of replacing manpower with firepower which is even more important because we have no need for uneducated infantry.

Don't US forces becomes valuable resources and doesn't the US replace manpower with firepower with the Fed printing press? If the Fed wasn't printing trillions where would this money come from to create these valuable resources and firepower?

[DaKardii]

According to Morning Consult, support for withdrawing from Afghanistan has plummeted by 20 points in four months.

In April, 69% of Americans supported withdrawing, including 84% of Democrats, 66% of Independents, and 52% of Republicans.
Today, 49% of American support withdrawing, including 69% of Democrats, 41% of Independents, and 31% of Republicans.

In April, 16% of Americans opposed withdrawing, including 6% of Democrats, 15% of Independents, and 33% of Republicans.
Today, 37% oppose withdrawing, 19% of Democrats, 38% of Independents, and 58% of Republicans.

https://morningconsult.com/2021/04/21/a ... l-polling/
https://morningconsult.com/2021/08/16/a ... n-polling/

[DaKardii]

According to Morning Consult, support for withdrawing from Afghanistan has plummeted by 20 points in four months.

In April, 69% of Americans supported withdrawing, including 84% of Democrats, 66% of Independents, and 52% of Republicans.
Today, 49% of American support withdrawing, including 69% of Democrats, 41% of Independents, and 31% of Republicans.

In April, 16% of Americans opposed withdrawing, including 6% of Democrats, 15% of Independents, and 33% of Republicans.
Today, 37% oppose withdrawing, 19% of Democrats, 38% of Independents, and 58% of Republicans.

https://morningconsult.com/2021/04/21/a ... l-polling/
https://morningconsult.com/2021/08/16/a ... n-polling/

A simplified version of the above post:

________________________All Americans___Democrats___Independents___Republicans
Support margin (April):____+53____________+78_________+51___________+19
Support margin (August):__+12____________+50_________+3____________-27