Generational Dynamics World View News

[Burner Prime]

It really feels like this is it. I have not prepared any supplies in order to survive what is coming. I have no interest in living in a dead world bereft of joy. My only hope is and has been God.

God's Will be done.

Amen. I'm ready for a lot of things, but not going nuts to prepare for really out there scenarios for the same reason.

This way of thinking is full of grave errors, but is common among fake Christians (Protestants) who say things like, "Jesus is my personal savior", as if God and Jesus are our personal butlers, attendants and caretakers.

There is a balance between going full prepper, building bunkers and amassing 30 yrs of food and ammo, vs. placing your total trust in God (or saying you are). The former is totally faithless, while the latter can fall into dangerous territory.

..."I have not prepared any supplies in order to survive what is coming."

This is very much like someone who never wears a seat belt and eats pizza and soda 3 meals a day. "Hey God, you got my back right bro?" You are tempting God as well as being SLOTHful and exhibiting some PRIDE.

..." I have no interest in living in a dead world bereft of joy."

This is also a grave error. We are not on Earth to experience joy, but to carry out our purpose as God has decided and to "suffer a little" or as much as we are able to bear. This is in preparation for our next and eternal life. Some elements of joy are granted to us to marvel in God's works or to facilitate building families (individual churches). What you propose is very close to suicide and very grave sin, in line with murder.

God will provide your needs and it will be His decision when to call you. If you must suffer then you must bear it for it will never be more than you can withstand. You should not do reckless things that you know will add risk that leads to your death. Expecting "Heaven on Earth", the joy you talk about is wrongheaded and is the kind of thing Satan promises with all the wild indulgences he makes available here on Earth.

[John]

** 29-Aug-2021 World View: Suicide

> What you propose is very close to suicide and very grave sin, in
> line with murder.

This was a subject discussed at length in this thread years ago.

The Bible does not forbid suicide. "Thou shalt not kill" refers to
killing other people, just as "Thou shalt not commit adultery" refers
to having sex with other people's wives.

The Catholic Church considers suicide to be a mortal sin (like using
contraceptives). But even here, suicide is a completely different
sin, distinct from murder. And the Catholic Church in recent years
has softened its view of suicide to take into account such things as
mental illness.

The following is some material I've written before.

When you discuss suicide in the religious context, then there are four
groups to consider: Heroes, Cowards, Martyrs and Victims.

A hero is someone who gives up his own life to save the life of a
child, or who gives up his own life to save the lives of the others in
his platoon, or who sacrifices his life in the name of his religion.

A person who sacrifices his life for his religion is often called a
martyr. However, the word "martyr" sometimes gets overused,
especially in Islam where people who die ordinary deaths are often
said to be martyred.

A coward is someone who gives up his life because he wants to die,
rather than face some unpleasant consequence of staying alive.

Sometimes a person is both a hero and a coward. A man who dies for
his religion or platoon may be considered a coward (or worse) by
someone of another religion or the enemy.

Who is the victim? Not the person who commits suicide. He's dead,
so he doesn't count.

The victims are the people left behind. The people asking themselves
the tough questions. Why? Why did he do it? Why didn't he talk to
me? Why didn't he talk to his teacher or doctor or priest of rabbi?

The answer to most of these questions is that the persom committing
suicide wanted to commit suicide and didn't want to be talked out of
it.

So there are many angles to suicide, even within the religious
context. If someone would rather die than try to live through World
War III, it's not clear to me that even the Catholic Church would
condemn him. Or if someone is diagnosed with dementia or a fatal
disease that will cause him and his family to suffer for months, it's
once again not clear to me that even the Catholic Church would condemn
him.

You imply this yourself when you write that "[we must] carry out our
purpose as God has decided and to "suffer a little" or as much as we
are able to bear." The implication of what you've written is that
it's possible for God to cause you to suffer more than "we are able to
bear," and in that case, suicide must be permissible, since you are
unable to bear the suffering.

Those looking for advice on methods of suicide should do an internet
search for the "Peaceful Pill Handbook."

[DaKardii]

Anyone who is contemplating suicide should call this number:

800-273-8255

[[John: This is the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline]]

[spottybrowncow]

This way of thinking is full of grave errors, but is common among fake Christians (Protestants) who say things like, "Jesus is my personal savior", as if God and Jesus are our personal butlers, attendants and caretakers.

I don't think that correctly interprets what he meant. When he said "Jesus is my personal savior," I think he was saying that the relationship between Jesus and the individual is complete, and does not require anything else, in contrast to "collective salvation" (whatever the hell that is).

[Trevor]

I interpret that as "Thou shall not Murder", although in what context this applies depends on who you ask. If asked: "What would Jesus do?", going on a rampage is always a valid option.

I can't say I've ever liked the claim that God never gives you more than you handle. Sure, sometimes people overcome, grow, and turn into a better person, but just as often, it leaves them weaker, broken, scarred, even brutal. Nor have I ever been convinced that pain helps you grow and develop. I think it's just something you get told when times are tough because they don't know what else to say. That or they don't want to listen to it.

[DaKardii]

According to the WaPo, the Taliban offered to allow Kabul to remain under US control until it was "secured" from the chaos which resulted from Ghani fleeing the country. The US declined that offer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... gn=wp_main

[John]

** 29-Aug-2021 World View: North Korea may planning new nuclear tests

• Satellite imagery of North Korea's Yongbyon nuclear complex in May (Yonhap)

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) says that it appears
that in February of this year, North Korea restarted its Yongbyon
nuclear reactor, which is capable of producing plutonium for nuclear
weapons.

North Korea stopped testing nuclear weapons in 2017, because of
agreements with and threats by Donald Trump. However, with Joe Biden
now in office, North Korea may feel free to start testing again.

It now appears "a full batch of spent fuel" was processed from
mid-February to early July, indicating that a nuclear weapon test may
be near.

In addition, there are also indications of mining and concentration
activities at a uranium mine and plant at Pyongsan.

According to the IAEA: "The continuation of the DPRK's nuclear program
is a clear violation of relevant UN Security Council resolutions and
is deeply regrettable."

-- North Korea appears to have restarted nuclear reactor, IAEA says
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-08-29/
(Reuters, 29-Aug-2021)

-- Yongbyon nuclear reactor appears to be in operation: IAEA report
http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article ... Idx=314698
(Korea Times, 30-Aug-2021)

[Zoomer go Brrr]

Really letting the doom and gloom shine through on the forums. Guess we know what the desire for the WW3 nuclear holocaust is all about: getting killed by your enemy instead of having to commit suicide.

[JCP]

It really feels like this is it. I have not prepared any supplies in order to survive what is coming. I have no interest in living in a dead world bereft of joy. My only hope is and has been God.

God's Will be done.

Amen. I'm ready for a lot of things, but not going nuts to prepare for really out there scenarios for the same reason.

This way of thinking is full of grave errors, but is common among fake Christians (Protestants) who say things like, "Jesus is my personal savior", as if God and Jesus are our personal butlers, attendants and caretakers.

There is a balance between going full prepper, building bunkers and amassing 30 yrs of food and ammo, vs. placing your total trust in God (or saying you are). The former is totally faithless, while the latter can fall into dangerous territory.

..."I have not prepared any supplies in order to survive what is coming."

This is very much like someone who never wears a seat belt and eats pizza and soda 3 meals a day. "Hey God, you got my back right bro?" You are tempting God as well as being SLOTHful and exhibiting some PRIDE.

..." I have no interest in living in a dead world bereft of joy."

This is also a grave error. We are not on Earth to experience joy, but to carry out our purpose as God has decided and to "suffer a little" or as much as we are able to bear. This is in preparation for our next and eternal life. Some elements of joy are granted to us to marvel in God's works or to facilitate building families (individual churches). What you propose is very close to suicide and very grave sin, in line with murder.

God will provide your needs and it will be His decision when to call you. If you must suffer then you must bear it for it will never be more than you can withstand. You should not do reckless things that you know will add risk that leads to your death. Expecting "Heaven on Earth", the joy you talk about is wrongheaded and is the kind of thing Satan promises with all the wild indulgences he makes available here on Earth.

I am not planning on shooting myself. Nor do I think God is my servant. I am a Protestant, but that does not make me a fake Christian. What I am saying is that I am not going to resort to cannibalism or joining a criminal gang to survive. I bet you would.

You are not the one to tell anyone what God's plan is.

Perhaps you should look in the mirror.

[thomasglee]

The GOP establishment may be just as in on this fiasco as the DNC is.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^