Nuclear War

[Cool Breeze]

BREAKING - China announces "military exercises" in the South China Sea across a 6-nautical-mile-radius from Sunday to Tuesday.

Indo-Pacific ALERT – Scores Of 'Dark Vessels' Belonging To China's Maritime Militias Are Operating In Contested Waters

Large fleet of specialized/military vessels are in the waters to the north & south of Taiwan Strait.

This is far more important than any other scam crisis such as the Russian one is.

Again, follow the distraction: China, the world's worst enemy, is never talked about. But Russia once again is the "problem."

Nope. If China breaks out here, then we have a big deal happening. Until then, yawn and western degenerate lies continue.

[Navigator]

I'm directing this question to Navigator, but anyone else who knows feel free to chime in.

We watched Russia amass troops / supplies for quite some time prior to invading Ukraine.

How long before an invasion of Taiwan would we expect to see similar preparations by the Chinese?

The Russians had to move large quantities of supplies and ammunition into Belorus to be ready. They did not have supply and ammunition dumps in this country beforehand. Also, they had to have the troops stationed in Belorus before they started moving the supplies/ammo in, so that they would have local protection against potential pre-emptive strikes by Ukrainians. This is why I think it took so long for the Russians to prepare.

The Chinese don't have the same worries. They already have ammo dumps and other supplies right where they need them on mainland China. They don't need to "protect" anything in the areas across from Taiwan, as there is obviously no overland path.

However, the Chinese will need to move masses of troops into staging areas before they are ready to go. These are the areas around where they are building their new/expanded bases, and in the vicinity of ports where troops are debarked for sea movement to Taiwan and its outer islands.

If the Chinese are to go in April, I would expect this to happen about a month out.

My guess right now is that the Chinese are planning for October.

They will want the US to commit a lot of its ground forces to Europe so that there are fewer forces available to reinforce Asia.

[spottybrowncow]

Hopefully the rest of Europe will wake its ass up and assist Ukraine, and we won't have to get as involved as we would have had to.

[spottybrowncow]

On another note - Winnie the Pooh (Xi) must love this invasion. Not only does it potentially tie up the US and the rest of Nato (to whatever extent), it allows him to learn a huge amount about whoever is currently in charge (does anyone know?) of the Unites States, and how they will react.

[Navigator]

Hopefully the rest of Europe will wake its ass up and assist Ukraine, and we won't have to get as involved as we would have had to.

This could go in any of multiple ways. We just don't know right now. I would hope so to. Unfortunately, I see the Europeans sitting on their hands while Russia militarizes and becomes competent at waging modern war.

Europeans only have their standing forces, which are quite small, and little in the way of ammunition stockpiles.

The whole Russia/China arrangement seems to be a way to keep the US off balance by hitting first in Europe, then the Chinese going after Taiwan in Asia.

[Guest]

Hopefully the rest of Europe will wake its ass up and assist Ukraine, and we won't have to get as involved as we would have had to.

This could go in any of multiple ways. We just don't know right now. I would hope so to. Unfortunately, I see the Europeans sitting on their hands while Russia militarizes and becomes competent at waging modern war.

Europeans only have their standing forces, which are quite small, and little in the way of ammunition stockpiles.

The whole Russia/China arrangement seems to be a way to keep the US off balance by hitting first in Europe, then the Chinese going after Taiwan in Asia.

German, yesterday, announced a massive rearmament program for its military.

I can imagine all of NATO is rearming now.

[Guest]

On Friday, rating agency S&P Global cut Russia’s debt rating to “junk” status, underlining the risk that the economic situation inside Russia could deteriorate rapidly.

[Cool Breeze]

Hopefully the rest of Europe will wake its ass up and assist Ukraine, and we won't have to get as involved as we would have had to.

This could go in any of multiple ways. We just don't know right now. I would hope so to. Unfortunately, I see the Europeans sitting on their hands while Russia militarizes and becomes competent at waging modern war.

Europeans only have their standing forces, which are quite small, and little in the way of ammunition stockpiles.

The whole Russia/China arrangement seems to be a way to keep the US off balance by hitting first in Europe, then the Chinese going after Taiwan in Asia.

Good. The only thing the US should even consider bothering with is Taiwan, not Ukraine and its corruption with NATO.

[Guest]

** 24-Feb-2022 World View: Nuclear war

There are people in this forum who have said this, but I've been
saying for years that by the climax of WW III, every nuclear weapon
in the world will have been used somewhere, mostly in the last
few months.

The climax of a generational crisis war is always maximally
genocidal and explosive. I once compared it to a large ball
rolling downhill, gathering speed, until it reaches the bottom
and explodes, destroying everything around it.

Just to give one illustrative example: Suppose China is losing the
war. Rather than surrender, they'll use every nuclear war in their
inventory. The US and other nuclear powers will respond in kind.

Logically, I believe your argument is sound.

However, mainly for reasons centered around my personal religious beliefs, I do not believe it will happen this way.

When (not if) China and Russia begin to lose, their supreme leaders will probably order the wide use of nuclear weapons. But I don't believe the orders will be carried out. Those responsible for actually firing or having the "keys" will, I believe, refuse to use them. While their leaders may at that point be suicidal, they will want to live past the war, along with their loved ones. They will know that the war is lost, and that nuclear exchange would just be a much worse disaster for their country.

An example of this was at the end of WW1. Realizing that all was lost, the Kaiser ordered a last ditch sortie by the German Navy. He figured that he had paid for the navy, and while it had only a remote chance of beating the enemy, it did have some chance, and he might as well use it. The Kaiser had nothing to lose at that point. The German Navy itself refused to commit suicide for the Kaiser, and the sailors went into revolt. It was the end of the Kaiser's rule.

The religious point is, I believe, that God will not destroy most of humanity without their being serious prophetic warnings first. War is one of the methods God uses to warn people regarding sin/immorality. It will be a very serious war, but I think the Nukes don't get used until the postwar appearance of the anti-Christ. Then its widespread nuclear devastation.

Do you still believe that Russia will invade Western Europe? When do you expect this to happen?

[Navigator]

Right now everyone thinks that Putin is completely on the ropes and that this failure in Ukraine will be the end of him.

I hope that's true. But I seriously doubt it.

If he has to become Stalin, and put similar systems in place (by similar means), he, and his cronies, will do it.

So if there isn't another Russian revolution right quick, this is where things will head.

Plenty of people have been mistaken about Russian resiliency and resolve in the past. Once Putin decides the break with the West is unfixable, I think he will go down this path.

Right now it is a very chaotic situation, so any kind of timeline would be only a guess.

If/When Putin starts going down the Stalinist path, he will blame the Ukrainian resistance on NATO, and that when things will get really ugly.