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Navigator wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:52 pm
Guest wrote:
Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:35 am

Navigator, do you still consider NATO to be hollowed out? Do you still believe Russia will take Europe all the way to Spain?
At this point, it would take a complete Russian mobilization and re-invigoration of their army, but if they did so, they could maybe eventually get to the Rhine.

Going all the way to Spain would be the action of most refugees.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. I was pretty sure that the Russian military was inferior to the Soviet one, but I didn't believe it was this bad. Troop motivation is really bad. Leadership is very poor. And equipment is also substandard. Not to mention failures in logistics and and overall shortage in modern weapons. Generals are being killed because they have to go to the front to try to impose order on troops. That's unheard of in Western armies. Planes are being shot down because they have to descend below the cloud level to drop dumb bombs. Western nations stopped doing that 30 years ago because they could afford to buy JDAM kits. And they can't even get food and fuel to all the units.

Honestly, if Russia didn't have nuclear weapons I think Poland by itself could probably march to Moscow. It's that bad. And the Chinese are watching all of this and thinking "Hmmmmm."

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Xeraphim1 wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:45 am

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. I was pretty sure that the Russian military was inferior to the Soviet one, but I didn't believe it was this bad. Troop motivation is really bad. Leadership is very poor. And equipment is also substandard. Not to mention failures in logistics and and overall shortage in modern weapons. Generals are being killed because they have to go to the front to try to impose order on troops. That's unheard of in Western armies. Planes are being shot down because they have to descend below the cloud level to drop dumb bombs. Western nations stopped doing that 30 years ago because they could afford to buy JDAM kits. And they can't even get food and fuel to all the units.

Honestly, if Russia didn't have nuclear weapons I think Poland by itself could probably march to Moscow. It's that bad. And the Chinese are watching all of this and thinking "Hmmmmm."
Knew you would disagree.

This is the conventional opinion, and, as I have stated before, I actually hope that you are right.

However, I think that the Russians will make the "post Winter War" adjustments and begin a national militarization and mass mobilization. Right now they are the army of 1939/40 that couldn't beat Finland. Next year they could, if they try hard, be the Army of 1941/42. (which still had massive problems, but was able to deal with the most competent army the world has yet seen)

Personally, I don't see Europe getting off of the hook so easily or so quickly.

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https://www.the-sun.com/news/5000095/pa ... clear-war/
STARK RAVING BUNKERS Paranoid Putin and his inner circle ‘living in top-secret nuke bunkers’ sparking fears of nuclear war

PARANOID Vladimir Putin and his inner circle are reportedly living in top-secret nuclear bunkers as the bloody war unfolds in Ukraine.

The use of the high-security bunkers is alarming as it suggests Putin may be preparing to deploy nuclear weapons, a move that would lead to inevitable reprisal.

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** 29-Mar-2022 World View: Russia Ukraine scenario
Navigator wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:58 am
> Knew you would disagree.

> This is the conventional opinion, and, as I have stated before, I
> actually hope that you are right.

> However, I think that the Russians will make the "post Winter War"
> adjustments and begin a national militarization and mass
> mobilization. Right now they are the army of 1939/40 that
> couldn't beat Finland. Next year they could, if they try hard, be
> the Army of 1941/42. (which still had massive problems, but was
> able to deal with the most competent army the world has yet seen)

> Personally, I don't see Europe getting off of the hook so easily
> or so quickly.
Assuming your analysis is correct, we might speculate on what
the scenario will be in the next few weeks.

Today, there is increasing worldwide delusional hope and euphoria
around the so-called Russia-Ukraine "peace talk" taking place in
Istanbul. Both the Russian and Turkish governments says that they're
making "significant progress," so I guess the war should be over any
day now, and we can go back to worrying full time about transgender
issues and Will Smith's slap. However, we have to assume that
anything the Russians and Turks say are cynical self-serving lies.

It's pretty clear that the war is being fought over territory, and
neither side will agree to "peace" without control of Donbas and
Crimea. Russia's army has been losing the war to Ukraine's army, and
the current situation is unsustainable for Russia. So we have to
assume that Russia will turn to a national militarization and mass
mobilization, as you suggest. Many analysts suggest that madman Putin
go further and will turn to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons if he
becomes sufficiently desperate. This is also consistent with your
analysis.

The whole "Regeneracy" concept in generational theory is that certain
kinds of unexpected events can cause rapid changes in public opinion.
We've already been seeing this following Russia's totally unexpected
invasion of Ukraine, which caused European countries to put political
differences aside and unite against Russia.

There will be additional regeneracy events, and we can speculate what
they might be. My guess is that the next regeneracy event will be a
major military victory by Russia in Ukraine. This might be total
destruction of Mariupol or capture of Kiev or something similar. The
victory will have to be sufficiently devastating, if it's to advance
the Regeneracy.

When that happens, a lot of the dithering on the part of America and
Europe will be short-circuited, and demands for further support for
Ukraine will be met. This could be, for example, cruise missiles
launched from European bases, targeting Russia's military.

There will be additional regeneracy events after that, with each one
bringing Europe closer to full-scale war, possibly nuclear war.

That would fit your analysis. However, I have to say that I still
have my doubts how well the Russian army will perform outside of
Russia. As I've previously said, Russia's army in the past has done
well defending inside of Russia, but there is no clear history of
successful offensive expeditionary wars that I'm aware of.

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However, we have to assume that anything the Russians and Turks say are cynical self-serving lies.
True.

Also, Azerbaijan signed a defense treaty with Russia the day before the invasion of Ukraine. Turkey is attached at the hip to Azerbaijan.

Russia's relation to Armenian is in question.

El Cid M

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Navigator wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:58 am
Xeraphim1 wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:45 am

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. I was pretty sure that the Russian military was inferior to the Soviet one, but I didn't believe it was this bad. Troop motivation is really bad. Leadership is very poor. And equipment is also substandard. Not to mention failures in logistics and and overall shortage in modern weapons. Generals are being killed because they have to go to the front to try to impose order on troops. That's unheard of in Western armies. Planes are being shot down because they have to descend below the cloud level to drop dumb bombs. Western nations stopped doing that 30 years ago because they could afford to buy JDAM kits. And they can't even get food and fuel to all the units.

Honestly, if Russia didn't have nuclear weapons I think Poland by itself could probably march to Moscow. It's that bad. And the Chinese are watching all of this and thinking "Hmmmmm."
Knew you would disagree.

This is the conventional opinion, and, as I have stated before, I actually hope that you are right.

However, I think that the Russians will make the "post Winter War" adjustments and begin a national militarization and mass mobilization. Right now they are the army of 1939/40 that couldn't beat Finland. Next year they could, if they try hard, be the Army of 1941/42. (which still had massive problems, but was able to deal with the most competent army the world has yet seen)

Personally, I don't see Europe getting off of the hook so easily or so quickly.
Why don't the Russia send in infantry with their tanks? I have never seen any Russian troops protect their tanks anywhere.

El Cid M

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I'm waiting for Russia to start sending in MIG-21s...

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Guest wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:23 am
https://www.the-sun.com/news/5000095/pa ... clear-war/
STARK RAVING BUNKERS Paranoid Putin and his inner circle ‘living in top-secret nuke bunkers’ sparking fears of nuclear war

PARANOID Vladimir Putin and his inner circle are reportedly living in top-secret nuclear bunkers as the bloody war unfolds in Ukraine.

The use of the high-security bunkers is alarming as it suggests Putin may be preparing to deploy nuclear weapons, a move that would lead to inevitable reprisal.
Flight tracking info suggests Putin may be in a hideaway near Surgut, in Siberia.

Xeraphim1

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Navigator wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:58 am
Xeraphim1 wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:45 am

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. I was pretty sure that the Russian military was inferior to the Soviet one, but I didn't believe it was this bad. Troop motivation is really bad. Leadership is very poor. And equipment is also substandard. Not to mention failures in logistics and and overall shortage in modern weapons. Generals are being killed because they have to go to the front to try to impose order on troops. That's unheard of in Western armies. Planes are being shot down because they have to descend below the cloud level to drop dumb bombs. Western nations stopped doing that 30 years ago because they could afford to buy JDAM kits. And they can't even get food and fuel to all the units.

Honestly, if Russia didn't have nuclear weapons I think Poland by itself could probably march to Moscow. It's that bad. And the Chinese are watching all of this and thinking "Hmmmmm."
Knew you would disagree.

This is the conventional opinion, and, as I have stated before, I actually hope that you are right.

However, I think that the Russians will make the "post Winter War" adjustments and begin a national militarization and mass mobilization. Right now they are the army of 1939/40 that couldn't beat Finland. Next year they could, if they try hard, be the Army of 1941/42. (which still had massive problems, but was able to deal with the most competent army the world has yet seen)

Personally, I don't see Europe getting off of the hook so easily or so quickly.
:D

I understand your point but I don't think you're going to see any real Russian enthusiasm for war. This is 1940 and the people of Russia aren't the same. And war isn't the same. The days when you could round up bunches of peasants, hand them a rifle and point them in a direction are past. Despite problems, people under 40 in Russia have no memory of communism and were adopting many of the same beliefs and mannerisms as other European peoples. While they may feel some happiness over Mother Russia gaining some territory or prestige, I don't think they have any real desire to die for it.

And modern warfare is different than 80 years ago. Russia as shown that it has not learned the lessons and doesn't have the equipment needed to fight it. Its doctrines are shown to be sadly wanting and its supplies of modern equipment are lacking. Being the Army of 1941/42 is a fast road to defeat. It needs to at least be the Army of 1990 and I'm not seeing it.

On the other side, Europe is finally waking up and realizing that Russia is not just a grumpy neighbor to avoid, its a nasty neighbor and needs to be defended against. Rearmament is taking place with equipment that Russia neither has available nor can afford.

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Ukraine appears to strike Russian territory for the first time with missile hit on military camp

https://nypost.com/2022/03/29/ukraine-m ... de-russia/

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