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Putin and Zelensky, as heads of their respective states, have both a moral duty and an international legal obligation to prevent genocide from arising out of the armed conflict in Ukraine, regardless of who the perpetrators are acting on behalf of.

Both leaders are failing in that regard, either through indifference (in the case of Zelensky and possibly Putin) or through encouragement (in the case of possibly Putin). The reason I am not sure whether Putin is being indifferent or he actually wants genocide to happen is because while his media acolytes are actively encouraging genocide, to my knowledge he himself hasn't escalated his rhetoric to that degree. This is in stark contrast to Hitler, who explicitly threatened that a Second World War would result in "the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe" during a speech to the Reichstag. But I'll admit that's beside the main point.

Bottom line is, both Putin and Zelensky have blood on their hands. And in a just world, they both would pay the price. But this isn't a just world, so only the losing side will be punished.

Bottom line is that you don't know what you are talking about.

How is Zelensky committing genocide? Is he trying to invade Russia, steal its territory, and rape, torture, and murder its people?

Putin committed genocide in Chechnya. He has alsotortured and murdered a countless number of Russian opponents. Putin knows exactly what he is doing.

Putin's "media acolytes" only say what Putin wants them to say. They get lists of talking points to follow. They are Putin's mouth pieces.

Putin has already said that Ukrainians don't exist, nor does Ukraine, accept as a province of Greater Russia.

You have been spouting off for years about how the "pro-CCP" elements of America are traitors and Chinese stooges. Well, guess what, you're Russia stooge.

Mainstream news might not collaborate, but they sure as hell enjoy reporting things the same way and seem to be easily driven into whatever narrative suits the current “correct” view.

[Another guest]

Putin and Zelensky, as heads of their respective states, have both a moral duty and an international legal obligation to prevent genocide from arising out of the armed conflict in Ukraine, regardless of who the perpetrators are acting on behalf of.

Both leaders are failing in that regard, either through indifference (in the case of Zelensky and possibly Putin) or through encouragement (in the case of possibly Putin). The reason I am not sure whether Putin is being indifferent or he actually wants genocide to happen is because while his media acolytes are actively encouraging genocide, to my knowledge he himself hasn't escalated his rhetoric to that degree. This is in stark contrast to Hitler, who explicitly threatened that a Second World War would result in "the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe" during a speech to the Reichstag. But I'll admit that's beside the main point.

Bottom line is, both Putin and Zelensky have blood on their hands. And in a just world, they both would pay the price. But this isn't a just world, so only the losing side will be punished.

Bottom line is that you don't know what you are talking about.

How is Zelensky committing genocide? Is he trying to invade Russia, steal its territory, and rape, torture, and murder its people?

Putin committed genocide in Chechnya. He has alsotortured and murdered a countless number of Russian opponents. Putin knows exactly what he is doing.

Putin's "media acolytes" only say what Putin wants them to say. They get lists of talking points to follow. They are Putin's mouth pieces.

Putin has already said that Ukrainians don't exist, nor does Ukraine, accept as a province of Greater Russia.

You have been spouting off for years about how the "pro-CCP" elements of America are traitors and Chinese stooges. Well, guess what, you're Russia stooge.

Mainstream news might not collaborate, but they sure as hell enjoy reporting things the same way and seem to be easily driven into whatever narrative suits the current “correct” view.

And the Nazis in the Ukraine are so numerous and powerful that the 72% of the population voted to elect a Jewish president.

You could do the same thing with the Russians. Exactly the same thing.

Only you would explain it away as just a fringe political group in Russia...

This is 4th rate propaganda.

[Guest]

** 23-Apr-2022 World View: Split in Orthodox church on eve of Easter

• Super-hot Kremlin spokeswoman Maria Zakharova threatens Greece

> Russia Warns Greece of Complete Breakdown in Relations
> By Tasos Kokkinidis April 23, 2022
> https://greekreporter.com/2022/04/23/ru ... relations/

This is significant, since Greece and Russia are both Orthodox
Christian countries and have had close relations for centuries. But
it's not really surprising, given that Russia is attacking another
Orthodox Christian country, Ukraine, with almost unbelievable
atrocities and war crimes, including slaughter, rapes and murders of
Russian Orthodox mothers and children living in Ukraine.

Sunday is the Orthodox Easter, a time of great sorrow for Orthodox
Christians, in view of Russia horrific and unjustified invasion of
Ukraine.

Bartholomew, the Archbishop of Constantinople and spiritual leader of
all branches of Orthodox Christianity, has strongly condemned Russia's
invasion.

**** Patriarch Kirill's pathetic pandering to Putin

What's more puzzling is the fact that the spiritual leader of the
Russian Orthodox Church, Vladimir Mikailovitch Goundiaiev, known as
Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia, is fully supporting Putin's
atrocities in Ukraine, without a word of criticism of the slaughter,
rapes and murders of Russian Orthodox mothers and children living in
Ukraine.

Patriarch Kirill has portrayed the military actions as a war against
evil, saying in his sermon on March 6 that “we have entered into a
struggle that has not a physical but a metaphysical significance,” a
fight for “human salvation.” Kirill’s rejection of tolerance for
homosexuality seems to be at the heart of his support for bringing
Ukraine back into Holy Russia. His sermons since the beginning of the
war portray the Donbas, whose Russian-speaking citizens Putin has
vowed to “liberate” from allegedly genocidal attacks by the Ukrainian
government, as being subjected to pro-gay rights propaganda and
policies they reject on religious grounds. [Moscow Times]

However, I think there's a much simpler explanation for Kirill's
pathetic pandering to Putin's atrocities. Kirill is afraid that Putin
will emulate Nicolai Lenin (Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov), who destroyed
the Russian Orthodox church in order to harvest the Church's wealth.
The following is a 1922 memo to the Politburo:

> "We must pursue the removal of church property by any
> means necessary in order to secure for ourselves a fund of several
> hundred million gold rubles (do not forget the immense wealth of
> some monasteries and lauras). Without this fund any government
> work in general, any economic build-up in particular, and any
> upholding of soviet principles in Genoa especially is completely
> unthinkable. In order to get our hands on this fund of several
> hundred million gold rubles (and perhaps even several hundred
> billion), we must do whatever is necessary. But to do this
> successfully is possible only now. All considerations indicate
> that later on we will fail to do this, for no other time, besides
> that of desperate famine, will give us such a mood among the
> general mass of peasants that would ensure us the sympathy of this
> group, or, at least, would ensure us the neutralization of this
> group in the sense that victory in the struggle for the removal of
> church property unquestionably and completely will be on our
> side."

Lenin and Putin are the same -- psychopathic, genocidal war criminals
who feel free to commit abominations against their own religion for
their own political gain. Lenin destroyed the Russian Orthodox church
for greed, money and power, and the Church was dead, for all practical
purposes, until World War II, when Stalin begged the Church for help.
Nobody doubts that Putin would destroy the Church again, for the same
reasons, and I believe that's the best explanation for Kirill's
pathetic pandering.

Ah, maybe not...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YMlJUaiJ_s[/youtube]

Professor explains what's motivating top church official backing Putin's invasion

This woman claims Kirill is insane.

[Zoomer go Brr]

Bottom line is that you don't know what you are talking about.

How is Zelensky committing genocide? Is he trying to invade Russia, steal its territory, and rape, torture, and murder its people?

Putin committed genocide in Chechnya. He has alsotortured and murdered a countless number of Russian opponents. Putin knows exactly what he is doing.

Putin's "media acolytes" only say what Putin wants them to say. They get lists of talking points to follow. They are Putin's mouth pieces.

Putin has already said that Ukrainians don't exist, nor does Ukraine, accept as a province of Greater Russia.

You have been spouting off for years about how the "pro-CCP" elements of America are traitors and Chinese stooges. Well, guess what, you're Russia stooge.

Mainstream news might not collaborate, but they sure as hell enjoy reporting things the same way and seem to be easily driven into whatever narrative suits the current “correct” view.

And the Nazis in the Ukraine are so numerous and powerful that the 72% of the population voted to elect a Jewish president.

You could do the same thing with the Russians. Exactly the same thing.

Only you would explain it away as just a fringe political group in Russia...

This is 4th rate propaganda.

Israel needs to stop arming neo-nazis
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news ... -1.6248727

Israeli weapons used by Azov battalion
https://m.jpost.com/international/article-704680/amp

An unlikely until: Israel and Europe’s far right
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/ ... -far-right

Maybe, just maybe when both sides get what they want they tolerate the other.

[Another guest]

Mainstream news might not collaborate, but they sure as hell enjoy reporting things the same way and seem to be easily driven into whatever narrative suits the current “correct” view.

And the Nazis in the Ukraine are so numerous and powerful that the 72% of the population voted to elect a Jewish president.

You could do the same thing with the Russians. Exactly the same thing.

Only you would explain it away as just a fringe political group in Russia...

This is 4th rate propaganda.

Israel needs to stop arming neo-nazis
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news ... -1.6248727

Israeli weapons used by Azov battalion
https://m.jpost.com/international/article-704680/amp

An unlikely until: Israel and Europe’s far right
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/ ... -far-right

Maybe, just maybe when both sides get what they want they tolerate the other.

Or maybe this is just BS and you are digesting all of Moscow's agitprop. Also>>>The Israeli government supports Russia, so they have t justify it.

But you are still pretending like the Nazis loving Wagner group doesn't doesn't exist. You won't address that. You cherry pick what suits you. America has fringe Nazi and KKK groups. it doesn't make us Nazis. (Or does it?)

https://www.newsweek.com/who-are-wagner ... ne-1694634

The Times: Putin has sent mercenaries to Kyiv led by an admirer of the Nazis to murder Zelenskyy and the Klitschko brothers

https://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/the- ... o-brothers

[Zoomer go Brr]

And the Nazis in the Ukraine are so numerous and powerful that the 72% of the population voted to elect a Jewish president.

You could do the same thing with the Russians. Exactly the same thing.

Only you would explain it away as just a fringe political group in Russia...

This is 4th rate propaganda.

Israel needs to stop arming neo-nazis
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news ... -1.6248727

Israeli weapons used by Azov battalion
https://m.jpost.com/international/article-704680/amp

An unlikely until: Israel and Europe’s far right
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/ ... -far-right

Maybe, just maybe when both sides get what they want they tolerate the other.

Or maybe this is just BS and you are digesting all of Moscow's agitprop. Also>>>The Israeli government supports Russia, so they have t justify it.

But you are still pretending like the Nazis loving Wagner group doesn't doesn't exist. You won't address that. You cherry pick what suits you. America has fringe Nazi and KKK groups. it doesn't make us Nazis. (Or does it?)

https://www.newsweek.com/who-are-wagner ... ne-1694634

The Times: Putin has sent mercenaries to Kyiv led by an admirer of the Nazis to murder Zelenskyy and the Klitschko brothers

https://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/the- ... o-brothers

No I’m not pretending they don’t exist, I’m just not buying into your smooth-brained dualistic world view that “Russia only bad Ukraine all good.”

I’ve already said Russia is worse and they are to blame for this mess, but I also see the bad parts of the Ukrainian response to Russia’s invasion (brutalizing their own citizens and offering up foreign volunteers as canon-fodder for propaganda) as shitty also. Russia is bad, Russian troops have committed war crimes, Russian troops have killed and brutalized civilians. Ukraine has a right to defend itself, parts of the Ukraine armed forces are shitty, shitty individuals supporting Ukraine are being allowed to do shitty things.

With all that said, do you really think Western mainstream media doesn’t dumb things down and package what they thing is an acceptable view to be pushed on the masses? Did Trump get accurate coverage during his presidency? Do you think January 6 protest was reported accurately? Has COVID been reported accurately?

[Another guest]

Israel needs to stop arming neo-nazis
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news ... -1.6248727

Israeli weapons used by Azov battalion
https://m.jpost.com/international/article-704680/amp

An unlikely until: Israel and Europe’s far right
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/ ... -far-right

Maybe, just maybe when both sides get what they want they tolerate the other.

Or maybe this is just BS and you are digesting all of Moscow's agitprop. Also>>>The Israeli government supports Russia, so they have t justify it.

But you are still pretending like the Nazis loving Wagner group doesn't doesn't exist. You won't address that. You cherry pick what suits you. America has fringe Nazi and KKK groups. it doesn't make us Nazis. (Or does it?)

https://www.newsweek.com/who-are-wagner ... ne-1694634

The Times: Putin has sent mercenaries to Kyiv led by an admirer of the Nazis to murder Zelenskyy and the Klitschko brothers

https://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/the- ... o-brothers

No I’m not pretending they don’t exist, I’m just not buying into your smooth-brained dualistic world view that “Russia only bad Ukraine all good.”

I’ve already said Russia is worse and they are to blame for this mess, but I also see the bad parts of the Ukrainian response to Russia’s invasion (brutalizing their own citizens and offering up foreign volunteers as canon-fodder for propaganda) as shitty also. Russia is bad, Russian troops have committed war crimes, Russian troops have killed and brutalized civilians. Ukraine has a right to defend itself, parts of the Ukraine armed forces are shitty, shitty individuals supporting Ukraine are being allowed to do shitty things.

With all that said, do you really think Western mainstream media doesn’t dumb things down and package what they thing is an acceptable view to be pushed on the masses? Did Trump get accurate coverage during his presidency? Do you think January 6 protest was reported accurately? Has COVID been reported accurately?

Show my where the Ukraine has been using foreign volunteers as cannon fodder. I've heard just the opposite: most of the foreigner volunteers are sitting around in hotels or barracks or have been sent home as unfit for military service.

Show me where the Ukrainian government has been brutalizing its own people. Shown me these "shitty, shitty things" they have been doing.

Outside estimates put the death toll in Mariupol alone at tens of thousands. How many Russians have been killed in Russia by Ukrainians?

Have the Ukrainians laid waste to Russia? How they blown up their churches?

You're just a contrarian.

With all that said, do you really think Western mainstream media doesn’t dumb things down and package what they thing is an acceptable view to be pushed on the masses? Did Trump get accurate coverage during his presidency? Do you think January 6 protest was reported accurately? Has COVID been reported accurately?

Do you really think that the reports on Russian war crimes simply boil down to bad press?

Are you Serbian-America?

[Guest]

Would I trust China and Russia not to invade and annex a foreign country? No, therefore I would not trust them enough to hold their currency as an investment.

If India wants to 'play' with those countries, it takes it chance, but they should not be surprised if there are consequences. There are consequences for Germany with respect to its commitment to Russia. Caveat emptor.

[guest]

Would I trust China and Russia not to invade and annex a foreign country? No, therefore I would not trust them enough to hold their currency as an investment.

If India wants to 'play' with those countries, it takes it chance, but they should not be surprised if there are consequences. There are consequences for Germany with respect to its commitment to Russia. Caveat emptor.

So, yeah, ok, people around the world can chose to live, trade, and work in the Western world of liberal democracies or live in the new Axis of Rot: Russia, India, and China. Yeah. Sure. Everyone wants to live in Calcutta, Beijing, or Vladivostok. Let'em move to this hellholes. And don't let them come back, no matter how hard they cry and beg to return.

[Zoomer go Brr]

Or maybe this is just BS and you are digesting all of Moscow's agitprop. Also>>>The Israeli government supports Russia, so they have t justify it.

But you are still pretending like the Nazis loving Wagner group doesn't doesn't exist. You won't address that. You cherry pick what suits you. America has fringe Nazi and KKK groups. it doesn't make us Nazis. (Or does it?)

https://www.newsweek.com/who-are-wagner ... ne-1694634



https://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/the- ... o-brothers

No I’m not pretending they don’t exist, I’m just not buying into your smooth-brained dualistic world view that “Russia only bad Ukraine all good.”

I’ve already said Russia is worse and they are to blame for this mess, but I also see the bad parts of the Ukrainian response to Russia’s invasion (brutalizing their own citizens and offering up foreign volunteers as canon-fodder for propaganda) as shitty also. Russia is bad, Russian troops have committed war crimes, Russian troops have killed and brutalized civilians. Ukraine has a right to defend itself, parts of the Ukraine armed forces are shitty, shitty individuals supporting Ukraine are being allowed to do shitty things.

With all that said, do you really think Western mainstream media doesn’t dumb things down and package what they thing is an acceptable view to be pushed on the masses? Did Trump get accurate coverage during his presidency? Do you think January 6 protest was reported accurately? Has COVID been reported accurately?

Show my where the Ukraine has been using foreign volunteers as cannon fodder. I've heard just the opposite: most of the foreigner volunteers are sitting around in hotels or barracks or have been sent home as unfit for military service.

Show me where the Ukrainian government has been brutalizing its own people. Shown me these "shitty, shitty things" they have been doing.

Outside estimates put the death toll in Mariupol alone at tens of thousands. How many Russians have been killed in Russia by Ukrainians?

Have the Ukrainians laid waste to Russia? How they blown up their churches?

You're just a contrarian.

With all that said, do you really think Western mainstream media doesn’t dumb things down and package what they thing is an acceptable view to be pushed on the masses? Did Trump get accurate coverage during his presidency? Do you think January 6 protest was reported accurately? Has COVID been reported accurately?

Do you really think that the reports on Russian war crimes simply boil down to bad press?

Are you Serbian-America?

You really are a dumbass. I’ve seen Russia’s warcrimes uncensored; I even mentioned the elderly couple being obliterated by a tank as an example. Are you capable of comprehending written text or are you demented, aphasic or developmentally delayed? I’m not going to fucking spoon feed you everything, go out and look for some shit. I can’t upload anything that I’ve saved and it’s been 2 months since this shit started. Here’s an American military volunteer’s account of his experience joining the call to arms for Ukraine:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealAlexRubi ... 3479550979

I don’t have any dog in this race except that I hope the civilians can make it though this, and I don’t want American troops in Ukraine.

While we’re playing identity games, is the source of your news the front-page of Reddit?