Xeraphim1 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:22 pm
Navigator wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:32 pm
FullMoon wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:52 pm
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/du ... 022-07-05/
It appears Navigator's prediction is coming true. Both sides feel a threat from each other and cannot understand the other's position. Talk of nuclear weapons is becoming commonplace.
Navigator, please tell us your current assessment and what we might expect coming up on this front.
Putin, like all egomaniacs, seems incapable of admitting that he has made a mistake. So the Russian Army slogs on.
Here is a link to a fantastic analysis about why the Russians are having such problems; namely the lack of infantry manpower, and how they are using manpower from the "breakaway" Ukrainian republics to attempt to fill the gaps. Needless to say, this is a poor stop gap measure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKewF8_SiIs
As this analysis points out, Russia can only fight the war its military prepared for if it goes to full mobilization. Part of that is full industrial mobilization, and your article shows them moving in that direction.
They are going to go there, it is just a matter of time. And not a long time.
The Russians will get much better once they get their masses of infantry to protect their equipment.
Meanwhile, NATO has its own lack of infantry problems.
I will try to write much more tomorrow. Don't have enough time tonight.
It depends on what you mean by "much better". Russia has already given up on anything bold and has resorted to its WWII tactics of pound everything with artillery until it's rubble, advance a hundred meters and repeat. The only way Russia can get appreciably more infantry is by conscripting more people which will be quite unpopular and will still have the problem of poor training, horrible leadership and an inability to adequately supply them. Russia will also not be able to add appreciably more modern equipment because it's cut off from the components it needs while even China is not willing to sell to them.
NATO doesn't have the need for hordes of poorly trained conscripts because it has different strategies. In particular, it has modern air forces and uses them. If Russia can't overcome Ukraine with the relatively paltry aid it's received, how can it conquer nations with modern militaries? The biggest "surprise" of Russia new war has been how poor the Russian military actually is. Barring the use of nuclear weapons, Russia has been shown to be a bully only capable of fighting weaker nations and not very well at that.
Currently, Russia would have a domestic support problem should Putin decide to go with mass mobilization. So for right now, we are safe for a while longer.
I believe that this will change with the coming economic crisis, which Putin (as well as the Chinese) will blame on the US and the West (ECB, Japan, in addition to US). In addition, there will probably be other "incidents" to stir the population up against Putin and the CCP's perceived enemies.
You are right that the Russians will still have problems with poor leadership and difficulty with long supply lines. But the Europeans will have problems as well. In the worst case, the war would start, and Russia would play the role of Austria-Hungary (AH for short) in World War One. That is, they start conflicts with a bunch of other countries, and make a mess of it in every case (AH attacked Serbia, then Russia, then Italy came in, then later Romania. In EVERY case, they had to appeal to the Germans for help).
So maybe they just get things started, and create a big mess, and then have to ask the Chinese for help.
However, the west faces big issues to.
If/When Russia crosses the NATO line, what could realistically happen?
1. Germany, Hungary, Turkey and Slovakia (even France and Italy) could well declare themselves Neutral. Belgium actually did this in the run up to World War Two. We did such a great job demilitarizing Germany after WW2 that the vast majority of Germans view "all war is bad".
2. If you think Russian would be unhappy about being drafted into the Army, what do you think will be the feeling in NATO countries. I would think that the Baltics (which won't last a week) Poland and now Finland would be the exceptions. What do you think Italians and Spaniards are going to do, let alone Belgians and French.
3. Every NATO country has the infantry deficit problem that Russia currently has. Everyone has bought lots of end items (which their defense contractors want them to), but there is a woeful lack of supporting infantry. Squad sizes everywhere have gone from the WW2 dozen men to maybe 8, 3 of them who have to stay with the vehicle (the Bradley or similar Infantry Fighting Vehicle). In addition, the Reserve systems in NATO, outside of the US, have gone to pot since the end of the Cold War.
4. While the Russians are showing that they (and I believe the Chinese) have plenty of Ammo stocks, NATO does not. Half to a third of the AntiTank weapons inventory have gone to Ukraine. So has all the former Warsaw Pact ammo for Russian equipment. NATO will run out of ammo in an all out conflict in less than 2 weeks.