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[Bob Butler]

I will never understand how American leftists could let their nation sink into 3rd world. it is truly astonishing to behold. And it was never inevitable. Never.

They are miserable because they deny God, and they want everyone else to be just as miserable as they are. Nothing pisses them off as much as seeing normal folks (of any color) working hard and prospering. Horribly spiteful people.

It is ironic, but the Christian cult was originally one of love thy neighbor and charity. They would quite understand the concept of a sanctuary city, no matter how rejected it is here. Instead, those proclaiming loudly or their christian culture are not in favor of charity and helping people, but instead favoring getting rid of the problem. They would rather practice hatred, and selfish greed. Me, me and a bit of ours.

The nuns in my youth didn't end up turning me godly. I don't claim to love everybody. I do claim to grant others human rights, and expect them to grant them in turn. Loving everybody is hard to ask. I don't know. Maybe you should at least try to practice it before you proclaim it? Proclaiming and attributing hate wasn't Jesus's idea at all.

[FullMoon]

I will never understand how American leftists could let their nation sink into 3rd world. it is truly astonishing to behold. And it was never inevitable. Never.

They are miserable because they deny God, and they want everyone else to be just as miserable as they are. Nothing pisses them off as much as seeing normal folks (of any color) working hard and prospering. Horribly spiteful people.

It is ironic, but the Christian cult was originally one of love thy neighbor and charity. They would quite understand the concept of a sanctuary city, no matter how rejected it is here. Instead, those proclaiming loudly or their christian culture are not in favor of charity and helping people, but instead favoring getting rid of the problem. They would rather practice hatred, and selfish greed. Me, me and a bit of ours.

The nuns in my youth didn't end up turning me godly. I don't claim to love everybody. I do claim to grant others human rights, and expect them to grant them in turn. Loving everybody is hard to ask. I don't know. Maybe you should at least try to practice it before you proclaim it? Proclaiming and attributing hate wasn't Jesus's idea at all.

Comon' Bob. How about you take in a dozen refugees to your suburban exclusive enclave and feed and take care of all their needs. Or maybe just adopt a few homeless and let them live in your yard and use your facilities while furnishing them daily provisions. It's not a religious topic or even a topic of morality. It's a common sense topic of which only those with experience can understand. Your attempts to inflame, distort and downright defame a great religion are typical. And now you're pushing the edge of another call for your banishment.

[Cool Breeze]

I will never understand how American leftists could let their nation sink into 3rd world. it is truly astonishing to behold. And it was never inevitable. Never.

They are miserable because they deny God, and they want everyone else to be just as miserable as they are. Nothing pisses them off as much as seeing normal folks (of any color) working hard and prospering. Horribly spiteful people.

Yes, their father is the evil one, and they do his bidding. You'll see this in many of Bish's writings as well, he accuses and slanders everyone else, just like his father, who had duped him in that he is the father of lies.

Live not by lies. Solzhenitsyn told us this long ago, as he saw the Bishes far before Bish was around.

Notice that he is not christian, but he knows Christ and what he taught ... better than the christians do. You can't make this stuff up. Thankfully, we have seen it all in history many, many times before so it's obvious to us. If he actually loved Jesus Christ and wanted to be like him, he would do the works of the one true God and not support the coercion of others to do the works (that he believes in, not that they are actually any good). The basis of leftism is covetousness and lies and it always ends in chaos. Look around, you'll see this in all of their policies, and especially their demonic accusations of you doing what they actually do themselves. Classic.

[Bob Butler]

I’ve chased many political and religious beliefs in my time. In my youth I was engineer and christian, and it seemed important to decide which. Newton or Jesus? The nuns had the first shot at it with their commandments to love. But, it was obvious that even among christians nobody loved. Christianity is often a lie. For a while I drifted through Neo Wiccan. Do what thou will, but harm none. That at least was possible. I don’t consider myself to be centered on that anymore, but one can quietly live by that principle. Then there was Taoism, which I visited for a time with a martial art. It was an approach that saw the powerful as rampant, and advised on the strength of weakness. It added an odd perspective, but not overly adaptable to this culture.

Of course Enlightenment philosophy, human rights and democracy had their innings too. The secular side became the dominant.

But you have to be dedicated to any of them, religious or secular. You have to live the beliefs. Otherwise you are a liar, loudly proclaiming what you are not.

What is the core of Generational Dynamics? I cannot help to think it near the incident of the Marco Polo bridge opening World War II. The Japanese fostered a hatred and contempt of their Chinese opposites, and therefore grew an advantage over their perceived enemy. Hatred and contempt breed an advantage. You divide us and them with a prejudice against them. Recognizing the perspective of Generational Dynamics is advantageous. Some cultures, many cultures, include some variant. Immersing yourself in a belief that all cultures are like yours can lead to many mistakes. But I always thought it wasn’t a central idea to be lived by. It could not be compared to the many religious or secular belief sets I have encountered.

Or can it be? Gather into a group of like people and hate anyone different while calling oneself christian? Is that what gathers the group together? Make up lies? Hate? Build an excuse to seek advantage for one’s own group?

The basis of leftism is that the government can help the voters. The seemingly opposite is that the government can help the selected few. If you are elite, if you share the right prejudice, if you hate, you are of the selected few. Insurrection, lawlessness and criminality are optional.

[Navigator]

I will never understand how American leftists could let their nation sink into 3rd world. it is truly astonishing to behold. And it was never inevitable. Never.

They are miserable because they deny God, and they want everyone else to be just as miserable as they are. Nothing pisses them off as much as seeing normal folks (of any color) working hard and prospering. Horribly spiteful people.

I have been away from post much for a while, but thought I should start to chime in more.

I do not see most "liberals" as bad people, just that they have a very different perspective. The following is from an article I wrote for ComingStorms.com about 5 years ago that gets at that difference:

https://comingstorms.com/the-fundamental-difference/

Here are two words, pick the one that appeals to you most: Justice or Mercy. This is a basic question from the exceptional Meyers Briggs personality test. I’ve used the results of this test to help people understand how they may think quite differently from their work colleges. But it can just as easily be used to show some of the fundamental differences in viewpoint between Conservatives and Liberals.

In case you were wondering, Conservatives are usually more attracted to the word “Justice”. From the conservative viewpoint, they want everyone treated the same under the law. They believe in a system of rewards and punishment, that if you put forth the effort, you should enjoy the rewards, but if you cheat or steal, you should suffer consequences.

Similarly, Liberals are usually more attracted to the word “Mercy”. From the liberal viewpoint, people should be taken care of if they need help. They believe that compassion should be the main concern in dealing with others.

The political conflict between the two sides comes from how they each believe Government should operate. The Liberal believes that Governments exist to help people, to ease their suffering and help them with their problems. The Conservative believes that Governments should get out of people’s way, and should limit itself to fairness in administering the laws needed to maintain order and security.

The classical views they have of each other is that the Conservative believes the Liberal wants to tax everyone to pay to take care of everybody else, while the Liberal believes that Conservatives are heartless greedy people who care about no-one but themselves.

The ideas of “Justice” and “Mercy” seem to be in conflict. But they are both valid viewpoints. Fairness and Equanimity require Justice. Compassion and Kindness require Mercy. It is a good thing to want to help other people. Likewise, it is a good thing to strive for rewards based on your efforts.

The real problems come when one side wants to “override” or “cancel out” the other in the operation of Government. When self-centeredness and greed are taken to extremes, many are left in desperate circumstances they cannot escape on their own. When taking care of people is taken to extremes, you have to confiscate things from others to do so. Both extremes lead to very bad outcomes.

What to Do
We need to listen to the viewpoints of each side. We need to understand why people want to do what they want to do.

The discussions should then be about the HOW of accomplishing things. The HOW should be done by attempting to provide for both Justice and Mercy.

[Navigator]

The fundamental problem with Liberalism is the HOW they intend to help others.

This next article, also about 5 years old, describes how their "well intentioned" interventions backfire.

https://comingstorms.com/failures-of-liberalism/

The Democrats purport to be the party of progress, the party that will take care of the “common person”, and the ones that will eliminate want and punish greed. Yet, their methods of taking care of the poor and sick have hurt everyone, including those they say they are working to help.

The Democrats most massive failure is in social programs. Now it is good to want to help the poor, sick and needy. The problem is HOW the Democrats have gone about doing this. They do not set up programs for people to help themselves. Instead they have set up programs where everyone else is FORCED to provide for others.

The first massive social program was Social Security. This was set up to help poor older people who had no one to take care of them. But instead of creating savings programs through which people would fund their own retirement, they took from others and gave to people who had put nothing in. They created a massive Ponzi scheme for the elderly which will eventually bankrupt everyone (let alone leaving the elderly to starve when the program collapses).

Next up was the War on Poverty. This was a massive effort to provide for the poor. It was supposed to lift them out of poverty. They funded this effort through massive government borrowing. It has had little effect, as the same percentage of people in the country are below the poverty line as when these efforts started decades ago. But now, thanks to the massive borrowing, governments at every level are now saddled with debt they cannot ever repay.

Both efforts also had very toxic unintended consequences. Social Security destroyed the extended family in the United States, as everyone now expects the government to take care of their elderly. The War on Poverty both destroyed the incentives to work (you can now be idle and get enough to survive), and the families of the poor, as men have deserted them, knowing the government will feed and house them.

The Democrats believe that government is or can be the solution to any problem. They use the government’s almost unlimited ability to borrow money to pay for whatever program is needed to fix the issue. This is literally destroying democracy, as voters now vote for whoever promises them the most money. It creates massively expensive bureaucracies, and of course causes government debt to go through the stratosphere.

They also are complicit in destroying what little of democracy is left by using the courts to bypass the voters. Democratic judicial appointees feel that since they know better than the voters, they can create laws without debate or elections.

And then there is the problem of the Double Standard. I don’t exactly know where this comes from, but it certainly exists. The Liberals have a strict standard of conduct that everyone else is supposed to adhere to. But they have a very different standard for their friends. It seems that you are in trouble for what you do if you are their enemy. But espouse their views (better yet, get elected because of those views), and you can actually get away with the most abhorrent behavior. Think the Clintons.

What to Do
It is a good thing to want to help the poor, the sick and the elderly. We should all be engaged in trying to help others. It is the right thing to do. We have a basic human responsibility to help others.

The problem with the Democrats is HOW they are trying to do this. Their misguided efforts have bankrupted our cities, states and nation. Their programs have had horrible unintended consequences. They have destroyed incentives to work. They have seriously damaged or outright destroyed the family structures of those they were supposed to be helping. They have created massive bureaucracies and regulation that are strangling economic activity.

We need to find ways to help others without this kind of damage. There does need to be a safety net. But it needs to not enable the abandonment of families and responsibility, while enabling drug use, idleness and a mentality of entitlement. A new social solution MUST be found. One based on personal responsibility and action.

[Navigator]

This post gets at the issue that seems to have started the current dialog, Immigration.

https://comingstorms.com/immigration/

The Unites States was built by immigration. Almost everyone in the country is the descendant of an immigrant who came to the United States after it achieved independence. For much of its history, the United States was open to immigrants. There had been attempts to limit immigration in the past, but this is now a major political issue for the country today.

There is a major difference between the mass immigration in the past and the immigration taking place today. In the past, let’s say from 1880-1920, a major period of historical immigration, if you came to America, you had to take care of yourself. There were some ethnic based aide societies, but basically, your personal situation as an immigrant was up to you. You had to quickly find work and find ways to integrate into society. Many were unable to do this and returned home. In fact, about a THIRD of the immigrants in this period returned to their country of origin.

Today, if you come to the United States, the government does a lot to help you out. And it is costing the country a fortune to do this. Many say that immigrants pay taxes and are contributing to the country. This is true. Estimates are that immigrants pay about $19 Billion in taxes a year. But Federal and State governments pay a total of $115 Billion in aid and support for immigrants (figures from the “Federation for American Immigration Reform” website. Note that I deducted the $20 Billion spent on Border and Customs enforcement that would have to be spent anyway). The net result is that we pay just a bit under $100 Billion a year to support immigrants. The United States is, and always has been, the land of opportunity. We should continue to welcome those who want to come here, work hard, and get ahead. The key word is “opportunity”. It is NOT a guarantee that the country will take care of you, and your family, as long as you are here.

“Opportunity” also means that those that come must do their best to make changes to be best able to take advantage of them. This means things like learning English, a willingness to work at whatever job is available, and getting education and skills to be even better positioned for future opportunities. We do a BIG disservice to those we try to help by accommodating their foreign languages in schools and government. If you don’t speak English in the United States, you will forever have extremely poor economic opportunities.

The language isn’t the only adjustment immigrants may need to make. They also have to accept American culture. This doesn’t mean changing the food they eat or the holidays they celebrate. But it does mean accepting the critical cultural norms of freedoms of speech, thought, and religion, as well as avoiding criminality and corruption.

Immigrants who are willing to work for themselves want to join mainstream America should always be welcomed with open arms. There is plenty of room, and we all collectively benefit from the increase in economic activity. On the other hand, those who come here looking for a handout or who are unwilling to adopt to American freedoms, or, worse yet, are here with criminal intent, need to be sent back.

What to Do
Building a Wall isn’t going to fix America’s immigration problem. It might be helpful in some high traffic areas for illegal crossings, but more than half of the illegal immigrants in the United States get here on visas that they then overstay. Unfortunately, the only real way to identify and then deport illegal immigrants is to have national identity cards/papers.

Businesses and other employers of illegal immigrants should face SEVERE penalties. Illegals who have entered multiple times should have stronger penalties than just another deportation.

We need to reduce services and government aid to immigrants, especially the illegal ones. Services like hospital emergency rooms are expensive to everyone, and those with no proper claim to these should not be able to use them. Welfare and housing assistance should be reserved for those who were actually invited in (such as legitimate war refugees vetted prior to entry).

On the other hand, we do need to have a viable immigration system. We do want people to come here who want to work hard and build better lives for themselves and their children. That’s exactly why our own ancestors came here. We do need a system of work permits or a guest worker program. Those that prove themselves would then be able to earn the right to stay. Others with desirable skills, such as medical professionals, engineers and so on, should be able to apply to come. And those who are criminals need to be punished and then removed.

[Navigator]

But, it was obvious that even among christians nobody loved. Christianity is often a lie.

I am sorry that you did not have good experiences, but to paint all Christians as haters and almost all of Christianity as a lie is just way too far of an over reaction.

Christians are supposed to help others. And love others. What you misjudge as "hate" is actually an unwillingness to be FORCED to hand over resources and property to give to someone else (see my previous 3 posts). Christianity is voluntary and the US has an amazing capacity for giving and service to others. But that is NOT what the current situation is about.

Very soon we are going to see an economic implosion due to the Government thinking it can just issue debt/currency and throw it at popular and "needy" programs (which, by the way, have made things WORSE. Again, see previous posts).

[Lightbulb]

Bravo Navigator.
Very insightful and well thought out series of posts.
Glad you're back. I missed your comments.

[guest]

But, it was obvious that even among christians nobody loved. Christianity is often a lie.

I am sorry that you did not have good experiences, but to paint all Christians as haters and almost all of Christianity as a lie is just way too far of an over reaction.

Christians are supposed to help others. And love others. What you misjudge as "hate" is actually an unwillingness to be FORCED to hand over resources and property to give to someone else (see my previous 3 posts). Christianity is voluntary and the US has an amazing capacity for giving and service to others. But that is NOT what the current situation is about.

Very soon we are going to see an economic implosion due to the Government thinking it can just issue debt/currency and throw it at popular and "needy" programs (which, by the way, have made things WORSE. Again, see previous posts).

As someone who was born in a foreign country and moved to America as a teen, I would like to offer some insight.

Open borders are a nightmare. Latin America has been dumping their refuse into the US for decades. Like in 1980, when Castro emptied his prisons (of criminal but not political prisoners) and mental hospitals in the boat lift? (Remember that joyful event?) The Mexicans have always used America as a garbage dump. I think this should be taken into consideration by the government, but it never is. How many Cuban criminals or criminally insane Cubans were sent back to Cuba? Zero. America is stuck with them. In the 1960s, Miami was a safe place to visit. By the 1980s, it was a war zone. The crime and violence of Latin America has already spilled into the streets here. Look at California today...

I am American. America is where my loyalty is. I can't say for 99% of the other third worlds migrants I have encountered. They have zero loyalty to this country. Most hate gringos. Sad but true. They openly say that this is an invasion.

America needs to let in immigrants that can read and write. They need people who have skills and a work ethic.

The average third world migrant lacks basic skills. Most cant even read or write their natives language. They are happy to live off of welfare. In California, one can see the results on the streets. What percentage of taxes is paid by the Latino population? It's shouldered by whites and Asians. Now the whites and (northern) Asians are fleeing California. And with IT losing money, the cash cow is dying. Welfare is federal, but how long will that last?

America passed the tipping point in the early 90s. Now it is just a case of bracing for impact.