Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

[Higgenbotham]

You are a typical Democrat pretending to care about minorities and doing nothing but using that as a tactic to support fake talking points about "racist" police brutality and "racist" spree shooters that add up to nothing. Trump truly cared about minorities and followed through with action which is why they did so well during his administration. You refuse to acknowledge that.

Trump had long ago feen found guilty in court of prejudice in avoiding renting against minorities. The bulk of Trump's entering politics was in response to the popularity of the first black president. His followers wanted to shake the Reagan policy of polite hidden racism. They wanted to become raucous again, and did, with policing murders and racist spree killings. In response to the Black Lives Matter protest, the Democrats put up bills against police misconduct against minorities and guaranteeing voting rights. The Republicans voted against them as a block. Meanwhile, Trump showed how much he cared about minorities by using the military to attack them.

Why do you consistently lie?

Again, just as you did with Tom Mazanec, your last resort is to name call and obfuscate when posters expose you and get uncomfortably close to the truth.

Trump's economic policies during his term as president didn't leave Black Americans behind, as did the policies of Obama and Biden. The gains minorities made under Trump were stellar, well documented and no accident.

THE ECONOMY

African Americans and the Economy under Trump

It has been six months since President Trump left the White House and Democrats are still race-baiting the former president and Republicans. Representative Byron Donalds (R., Fla.) was yet another target of Democrats’ wrath in this respect after he was denied entry into the Congressional Black Caucus because of his continued support for President Trump.

There are those who want you to believe, as President Biden said during the election, that Donald Trump was “one of the most racist presidents” ever and that the Republican Party is just as bad. Nothing could be further from the truth. Simply take a look at the economic record of the last four years.

Before COVID-19 severely impacted our social and economic lives, black Americans were seeing real benefits from lower taxes and lower regulation. The unemployment rate for blacks reached a record low of 5.2 percent and black labor-force participation reached 63.2 percent, the highest it had been since the 2008 recession.

The poverty rate for black Americans also reached record lows, while a total of 1 million lifted themselves out of poverty between 2016 and 2019. Over the same period, real median household income for black families rose over $4,000 after actually falling over the previous 14 years (2002–2016). With incomes rising so fast, it should not be surprising that black homeownership skyrocketed to 47 percent, another mark not reached since the 2008 recession.

While countless Americans benefited from the blue-collar boom ignited by Republican economic policies, black Americans fared particularly well, especially compared with their experience during the Obama economy. Then, black median weekly earnings grew just 1.8 percent on average, which was less than the 2.1 percent growth for white earnings. Under President Trump’s pre-pandemic economy, however, black median weekly earnings grew 4.1 percent on average — higher, in fact, than the 3.4 percent earning growth for whites.

The exceptional economic success that bolstered black American families during that period was no accident. President Trump worked closely with black leaders like me to craft an agenda that would help our communities realize our dreams. Consider just a few significant examples.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/07/ ... der-trump/

The reason Biden can't do nearly as well is Biden is a corrupt racist who has no idea how to help minorities and doesn't care about unleashing terrible inflation or any of its adverse consequences on minorities who are disproportionately impacted. That's the guy you support while calling people liars who would like to see it stopped.

[Bob Butler]

Trump's economic policies during his term as president didn't leave Black Americans behind, as did the policies of Obama and Biden. The gains minorities made under Trump were stellar, well documented and no accident...

I’m nowhere near as knowledgeable as other posters on economic issues, so I generally don’t engage in that area. I will note your opinion without much comment. I just distrust the Republican habit of tax cuts to the rich.

I do not agree, however, with the race relations aspect. Since the LBJ - MLK alliance and the Southern Strategy, there has been an at times subtle and recently blatant race conflict between the two parties. The police reform and voting rights bills are at the center of this. The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were originally race relation groups. They become politically involved to maintain the racial tone and attitude Trump set. I see little reason not to admit it. I think the lessons learned in the recent trials important. While Jan 6 is on the surface about politics, the race themes are just beneath the surface. All the tensions and anger of the BLM movement is lurking beneath the politics issues. A little more progress on getting a little more Democratic influence in congress would resolve it.

I note that when John listed his stupid people, he hit two of my three collapses in progress in Putin and Xi. I think he missed one.

[Higgenbotham]

"Re: Lest I be accused of polluting John's thread"

I really want you to have a place where you can spout your lily white liberal racist ideals undeterred by deplorables like me, and you've carved out a great place to do that. Just as I have my Dark Age Hovel where I can, mostly undeterred, spout about things like double digit percentages of corporate executives being psychopaths, percentages second only to maximum security prisons.

It seems you've provided an answer to the question of what happened to the "white racist" police officers and the "white racist" spree shooters, who all seem to have been replaced by minorities of late. If I understand correctly, these "white racists" were emboldened by the Trump victory and now, with the defeat of Trump, have receded, only to be replaced by minority copycats. Therefore, according to this explanation, it's still Trump's fault because without the emboldened "white racist" spree shooters, the copycats would not exist.

Before I close this out, though, I want to bring up a few points that have come to mind as a result of previous posts.

The lily white liberals had a great run until 2016 but except for occasional bumps in the road and stolen elections, it's over. The lily white liberals were able to, through Bill Clinton and Al Gore, architect the wholesale shipment of blue collar jobs out of the country, and use divide and conquer as a Democratic Party strategy to foment racial hate while fooling the majority of the people, much to their economic benefit and temporary perceived social status. That is, until Trump came along as the majority in the country was finally ready for the truth. Then Bill Clinton had the audacity to go in front of Congress and do his mea culpa where he basically said, you know, aw shucks, that Black guy in his 40s who lost his job putting a bolt on in the assembly line because of me, oh, I thought he would get retrained to go high tech and be a PhD computational Chemist or something like that. Yeah, right, Bill. But, like I said, it was a great run. The American people bought it for 24 years until Trump came along.

As we know, Trump at one time was "friends" with the Clintons. To the extent I suppose that phony rich people of both parties understand the definition of friends. Maybe he was privy to that strategy and tried to reverse it. Or maybe he was smart enough to figure it out for himself. The fact is that Trump brought a lot of blue collar jobs back, reversing what the Clintons put into serious motion. Trump was about solving the problem. The liberals didn't and don't want it solved. The liberals want to maintain their exclusive lily white enclaves in the major metros, places like Palo Alto where housing prices are kept artificially high and minorities are kept out due to zoning restrictions, with their BLM yard signs proclaiming what great people they are, not realizing that the jig is up. If you want to know you're in a lily white liberal enclave that lacks a gate, just look for the BLM yard sign. That's keepin' 'em safe!

[Bob Butler]

I really want you to have a place where you can spout your lily white liberal racist ideals undeterred by deplorables like me...

Glad to see you admit it.

I think you are making too big a deal of a few incidents. Spree killing is a problem that has increased of late. The racist version has always been part of it, but only a part. Things like better background checks for a gun license and banning weapons of war are understandable, even if the founding fathers made it legally difficult. It made all sorts of sense when there were natives in the woods and hostile frigates off our coast, but the people aren’t replacing our armed forces these days.

(My sister was with the Scituate schools. She taught about a historical event when a British frigate attempted a landing in Scituate. They were repelled by ‘The Army of Two.’ The lighthouse keepers two daughters, armed with a fife and a drum, pretended to be a local force. The right to keep and bear musical instruments?)

I can agree with your complaints about shipping American jobs overseas. I’m with the recent concept that critical manufacturing ought to be in the United States. I just think it a stretch to think that as a race issue. It was about the elites seeking greater profits and having too much influence with politicians of both parties.

And yes, the white enclaves are a problem to be dealt with. I just think cops killing out of prejudice, spree killers with weapons of war or driving though crowds, gerrymandering and other ways of skewing elections, are the greater problems. The white enclaves did not rise as a crises issue as these did. There were no masses of people protesting them, or the enclaves causing large numbers of minority deaths. It is a problem that won’t be resolved in this crisis. We have other things considered more important.

[Higgenbotham]

I really want you to have a place where you can spout your lily white liberal racist ideals undeterred by deplorables like me...

Glad to see you admit it.

Trend Watch
Clinton Says Half of Trump Supporters Are in a 'Basket of Deplorables'

Lookups for 'deplorable' spike following comments at a New York fund-raiser

10 Sep 2016

Hillary Clinton’s use of the word deplorables when describing “half of Trump supporters” sent many people to the dictionary to look up the word. At a fund-raiser in New York, on Friday night Clinton said:

To just be grossly generalistic, you can put half of Trump supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it.

Donald Trump’s campaign demanded an apology for the remark.

One reason some people may have looked up the word may be that it seems unfamiliar: deplorable is defined as an adjective meaning either “lamentable” or “deserving censure or contempt,” a synonym of “wretched” or “abominable.” But Clinton’s use in the plural, deplorables, marks the word as a noun—and deplorable is not defined as a noun in Merriam-Webster dictionaries.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/news-tr ... s-20160910

Clinton's incorrect use still hasn't entered the lexicon. So I'm not really admitting to anything except her and other liberals' propensity to incorrectly label.

[Bob Butler]

Clinton's incorrect use still hasn't entered the lexicon. So I'm not really admitting to anything except her and other liberals' propensity to incorrectly label.

Source? Examples? Do you think this apt to rise to the status of a crisis issue?

It looks like you just like to complain.

[Higgenbotham]

Clinton's incorrect use still hasn't entered the lexicon. So I'm not really admitting to anything except her and other liberals' propensity to incorrectly label.

Source? Examples? Do you think this apt to rise to the status of a crisis issue?

It looks like you just like to complain.

You and Hillary can call conservatives "Deplorables" but you should be aware that it doesn't have any recognized meaning even if you try to use it over and over in an attempt to attach a meaning to it.

[Bob Butler]

Well, you just didn’t look in one of the right places.

deplorable
Noun[edit]
deplorable (plural deplorables)

• A person or thing that is to be deplored. quotations ▼
• neologism, US politics, often derogatory) A Trumpist conservative, in reference to a 2016 speech by Hillary Clinton calling half of Donald Trump's supporters a "basket of deplorables". quotations ▼

Further reading[edit]

• deplorable at OneLook Dictionary Search
• deplorable in The Century Dictionary, New York, N.Y.: The Century Co., 1911

I have to admit though, I had to go through quite a few dictionaries before I found one that had a noun form.

[Higgenbotham]

Well, you just didn’t look in one of the right places.

deplorable
Noun[edit]
deplorable (plural deplorables)

• A person or thing that is to be deplored. quotations ▼
• neologism, US politics, often derogatory) A Trumpist conservative, in reference to a 2016 speech by Hillary Clinton calling half of Donald Trump's supporters a "basket of deplorables". quotations ▼

Further reading[edit]

• deplorable at OneLook Dictionary Search
• deplorable in The Century Dictionary, New York, N.Y.: The Century Co., 1911

I have to admit though, I had to go through quite a few dictionaries before I found one that had a noun form.

Yes, to find deplorables, it is necessary to look in the right places. Hillary knows where to look. Hugh probably would have agreed that she knew where to find one.

[Bob Butler]

Looking at the words ‘conservative’ and ‘progressive’, you can see the root words of ‘conserve’ and ‘progress’. Few cultures are so bad there isn’t something worth conserving. Few are so good that they can’t be improved. The two are not inherently in opposition and each have elements deserving praise.

But some individuals and groups benefit from the flaws. Some think that because they are forbidden marriage, allowing priests to rape children is a good thing. Some wish to feel superior, and think oppressing minorities wonderful. Some wish to retain power, and think insurrection and gerrymandering are great.

In one way or another, all these are considered deplorable. Not all conservatives are, but often some feature of a culture, every four score and seven years, the civic generation decides to get rid of. If you believe in such a deplorable thing, watch out. Various groups are perceived of as in one way or another deplorable and put down.

Not all conservatives are deplorable in one way or another, but some believe in child rape, prejudice, bad cops, violent insurrection, not taking life preserving precautions or whatever. There seems to be a limit to how many things you can fix in a given crisis, how many issues kill massive numbers of people or give rise to massive protests. But at the moment there are enough flaws in America for the S&H cycles to continue.

You just have to be aware of what makes a person deplorable, and ask if you really believe the culture profits from it.