Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

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Higgenbotham wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2023 11:54 am
Angus Deaton is describing the social pain that comes from not having a strong connection to employment. He is referring to the US workers who don't have college degrees. A lot of their jobs that help maintain a positive self-image were moved offshore via free trade agreements, destroyed by various types of regulations promoted by corporate lobbyists, destroyed by Wal-Mart as small retail businesses and downtowns were destroyed, destroyed by bailouts to large corporations who require college degrees in their job descriptions even when not necessary, destroyed by covid lockdowns, etc.
Free Trade Agreements
Trade Policy and Politics

Trade policy constitutes a version of industrial policy. The North American Free Trade Agreement had far less to do with trade than with investment policy, ensuring that in Mexico, U.S. companies and banks could repatriate profits, extend U.S. patent and copyright protections, and once and for all end any Mexican government temptation to expropriate their property.

Initially, Clinton had tried to straddle the fence on a trade pact viewed skeptically by organized labor and most congressional Democrats. NAFTA had been negotiated during the Bush administration but required a legislative vote to go into effect. The Clinton campaign endorsed NAFTA in October 1992 but sought to make it palatable by including labor and environmental protections. These proved exceedingly weak, which turned the AFL-CIO and much of the Democratic Party base against the agreement. Aside from any long-term employment consequences—the “giant sucking sound” made famous by Ross Perot—Clinton made a disastrous political miscalculation when his administration chose to undermine labor-liberal unity and scramble the partisan landscape by pushing NAFTA through Congress with more Republican votes than Democratic.

This was the kind of mistake Reagan had never made. Although free trade was official Reagan ideology, his administration actually orchestrated an ad hoc industrial policy that appeased key political and economic constituencies. Many complaints came from older industries like textiles, steel, auto, and motorcycles, long bastions of GOP or Dixiecrat support. They were being inundated by East Asian and especially Japanese imports. Reagan’s Commerce Secretary Malcolm Baldrige and his deputy, Clyde Prestowitz, therefore challenged the free-trade orthodoxy still favored by the State Department, which was willing to sacrifice U.S. industries in order to sustain Cold War allies in Asia.

The Reagan administration slapped a quota on Japanese motorcycles during the first term that did much to save Harley-Davidson, after which Treasury Secretary James Baker negotiated a dollar devaluation in 1985, the so-called Plaza Accord, that made all manufacturing exports more competitive. Reagan’s trade negotiators also pioneered a way forward in one of the world’s most strategic industry sectors. Americans had invented the semiconductor, but a strategy of continuous innovation did not lead to manufacturing competitiveness. American chip makers were stand-alone enterprises, while in Japan, large, capital-rich companies invested in computer chips as but one part of a larger high-technology endeavor. By the early 1980s, they had penetrated the U.S. market to devastating result. Intel’s Robert Noyce estimated that between 1984 and 1986, chip manufacturers lost $2 billion and laid off 27,000 workers. In response, the Defense Department ponied up half a billion to fund a new research consortium, Sematech, in effect a government-sponsored cartel that dampened domestic competition and stressed manufacturing prowess. Meanwhile, Prestowitz and other trade negotiators adopted a tough bargaining posture that stopped Japanese dumping of its chips on the U.S. market and mandated that Japanese companies must purchase 20 percent of all their chips from foreign producers, most in the United States.

Dozens of Rust Belt Democrats were defeated in the 1994 elections, dragging down others, including House Speaker Tom Foley, who had sided with the administration over NAFTA.

Clinton proved unwilling to build upon this Reagan-era precedent. Although his administration tried to open Japan to American products, agricultural ones in particular, this effort encountered fierce resistance from those rural agricultural interests that bulwarked Liberal Democratic Party (i.e., conservative) rule there. It failed. But Mexico was another story. Unlike Japan, which was then the second-largest industrial economy in the world, Mexico’s GDP was but 4 percent that of the United States. The U.S. had more of a free hand there, and ratification of the trade pact late in 1993 generated a template for U.S. approaches to globalization and the incorporation of many developing nations in that new order.

The Democrats were profoundly divided about NAFTA. Many in the administration, even liberals like Reich, thought globalization inevitable and that the best defense of American living standards would come through domestic investment in a high-skilled workforce, a hyper-productive set of industries, and the social and supportive physical infrastructure. Reich believed labor-intensive textile and apparel manufacturing would inevitably leave the United States. In their place would arise high-productivity, high-wage manufacturing and service industries, because “the fundamental fault line running through today’s workforce is based on education and skills.” The problem with this perspective was that while productivity, as well as education, was indeed low throughout most of Mexican—and Asian—manufacturing, key export-oriented firms in the developing world had demonstrated the capacity to produce high-quality goods with low-wage and poorly educated workers. Because of a devaluation of the peso in the early 1980s, Mexican wages in real purchasing power terms had actually declined some 30 percent by the end of the decade. “Why should companies invest in a high-skill, high-wage strategy in the United States,” asked the widely quoted industrial relations expert Harley Shaiken in 1993, “when a high-skill, low-wage strategy is available in Mexico?”

House Majority Leader Richard Gephardt shared that outlook. He came out of a still industrial, still highly unionized St. Louis, and Gephardt harbored presidential ambitions—one reason why in the last years of the George H.W. Bush administration, he reluctantly and cautiously backed “fast track” authority, hoping that a new, more liberal administration might include labor and environmental side deals with real teeth. Bill Clinton kept such hopes alive when on October 4, 1992, he endorsed NAFTA, but insisted that the trade deal had to be part of a “larger economic strategy” designed to raise the incomes of American workers and protect their jobs and environment. During the next year, Gephardt worked closely with the AFL-CIO to make NAFTA’s labor clause something more than an assertion that each nation should enforce its own, often inadequate, labor laws.

“NAFTA, with the addition of the supplemental accord, is a groundbreaking agreement,” U.S. Trade Representative Mickey Kantor said in announcing the completion of a NAFTA deal on August 13, 1993. “For the first time a free trade agreement covers workers’ rights and the environment.” The devil was in the details. The United States extracted a nonbinding commitment by the Mexican government to tie its minimum-wage structure to increases in productivity and growth in the Mexican economy. Fines for violation of labor rights were possible at the end of a long process of consultation, but the tribunal set up by NAFTA would have no power to compel a government to pay or penalize a particular employer. Within hours of the Kantor announcement, a coalition of labor union leaders, consumer advocates, and environmental groups had denounced the accord.

Gephardt too called the side agreements “not supportable,” and in a speech to the National Press Club on September 21, 1993, he announced that he would vote against the pact. Gephardt argued that genuinely fair trade was a contradiction in terms when applied to nations whose social structures and economic policies were incompatible; the wage differential across the Rio Grande was 8 to 1. In the absence of significant outlays for retraining and job creation, Gephardt warned of “downward pressure on wage agreements, holding down our standard of living. And they face that argument not only from Mexico, but from China and other places around the world.”

Labor-liberal opposition to NAFTA would therefore be staunch in Congress, backstopped by polls showing that a majority of Americans opposed the agreement. More importantly, the Clinton administration was at the very least divided on timing, with Hillary Clinton, among others, pushing for a postponement of the NAFTA fight until after the congressional health-care battle. But Bill Clinton pushed ahead. The White House set up a war room, headed by William Daley, a banker and youngest son of Chicago’s legendary mayor. The administration soon pulled out all the stops, making side deals to get the votes of representatives with citrus, flat glass, wine, and other interests that might be harmed by competition from Mexico. And when the flamboyant and erratic Ross Perot became the face of NAFTA opposition, the White House was not displeased.

The House passed NAFTA by a vote of 234 to 200 on November 17 and the Senate followed three days later with 61 in favor and 38 against. In both chambers, more Republicans voted for the trade agreement than Democrats, an ominous fissure in liberal ranks. Edward Kennedy backed Clinton, declaring, “All of the problems that working families face … will be even worse if NAFTA is defeated.” But other liberals like Senator Don Riegle of Michigan voted no, concluding, “This is a jobs program for Mexico, and my Lord, we need a jobs program for America.” Clinton thought he had secured a marvelous bipartisan victory, but Rust Belt voters and their elected representatives spurned the trade compact. Clinton “seriously split the electoral base of the Democratic Party and has alienated swing voters,” concluded Lawrence Mishel and Ruy Teixeira of the progressive Economic Policy Institute. More than two decades later, NAFTA was still a resonant and unpopular symbol for Trump to use against the Clintons.

Dozens of Rust Belt Democrats were defeated in the 1994 elections, dragging down others, including Tom Foley, the House Speaker, who had sided with the White House on NAFTA. Capturing the House for the first time in 40 years, GOP conservatives stepped into the policy vacuum engendered by liberal disarray. Newt Gingrich and a new cohort of freshmen Congress members moved the GOP decisively to the right, Perot ran for president once again, and on the extreme right pundit Pat Buchanan offered a foretaste of Donald Trump when he deployed culture war rhetoric to denounce a Bush-Clinton “New World Order” that stood for globalization, multiculturalism, and a devaluation of American nationality.
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While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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Illegal immigrant kids with tuberculosis infections released into 44 states
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... llegal-im/

How will this make our lives better?

This is why conspiracy theories flourish.

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While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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I read a mildly interesting article in the WSJ about the general impoverishment of Europe. What the article avoids stating is that taking in tens of millions of 3rd world migrants has impoverished Europe. Yes, 3rd world migration (really mass migration) has already impoverished the West.

I was born in Germany in the late 1960s. The Germany that exists today is not even a shadow of its former self. Germany has become a slum. Okay, now I have said it. (We are not as bad as Calcutta, but it time.) Germany is a slum. The life of native Germans has become a daily misery. Germans live in fear. Crime is now rampant and mostly unreported. The medical system is nearing collapse. A lot of foreign doctors and nurses have been brought in to deal with the vast patient loads of mostly 3rd world migrants who abuse the public health system at every turn. How much longer can Germany survive all of this?

Wages have been driven down. All of this started in the early 1990s with the first waves of Eastern European migration. The jobs they took had once been high paying positions held by Germans. Low pay forced the Germans out. The article briefly mentioned a butcher who "had to" take on an Indian apprentice butcher because no Germans would fill the positions. The article failed to mention that Indian's pay rate; no doubt is was low. Germans are not lazy. The article was insulting.

Yes, Europe has been impoverished, but it is not because Europeans are lazy. We have survived as a great civilization for for thousands of years, since Knossos, and now we are declared lazy and unneeded? Now we deserved poverty and subjugation by low IQ brutes and thugs?

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Higgenbotham wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2023 11:54 am
The Chinese woman knew how insidious this all was because she knew what it was and recognized that it was not about her at all. She fought it tooth and nail, filing grievance after grievance. Of course, the reaction of the Wisconsin state government communists to her anger was to humiliate her during the grievance meetings by laughing at her when she held the mirror up to them. In my opinion, they were pretty arrogant because they knew they were better communists than even the Chinese or Russian communists. They had progressed from boots on balls, starvation, and gulags to being able to say there are no dead bodies, what's the big deal.
Higgenbotham wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:11 pm
Nobody consents to QE or a million other things. Chomsky wrote a book called "Manufacturing Consent". The fact that it's not physical violence doesn't mean it's not violence. Just because they're not putting a boot on somebody's balls or rolling people around in barrels with nails driven through the sides doesn't mean it isn't violence. Probably more than half of the population is on some form of prescription for mental illness or medicating themselves with drugs or alcohol. The barbarism (politely referred to as bullying) starts in the schools, which is widespread and compulsory that most people be subjected to it. There is some kind of suicide reported from bullying in the public schools almost every week.

This will only get better is when people refuse to follow false media created images of leaders that don't exist in reality. When people decide that they will only follow local leaders that they personally know and trust and are vouched for by others in the local community then things will get better.

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/1992----02.htm
Regarding Thought Control in a Democratic Society, Chomsky makes these points:

1) Propaganda is to democracy what violence is to a dictatorship.

2) Ordinary people have remarkable creativity.

3) People have a fundamental need for creative work, which is not being met in systems where people are like cogs in a machine.

4) What would make more sense as a way to govern is a form of rationalist-libertarian socialism -- not one that increasingly functions without public input. Chomsky advocates a system where a community and its members run things in a democratic fashion and whose people do not function as some sort of wage slaves.

5) People need to be able to detect forms of authority and coercion and challenge those that are not legitimate.

6) The major form of authority that needs challenging is the system of private control over public resources.

7) The First Amendment means that democracy requires free access to ideas and opinions.

8) Democracy in America is not functioning in an ideal sense but more in the sense that Lippmann noted in Public Opinion (where a specialized class of about 20 percent of the people -- but who are also a target of progaganda -- manages democratic functioning) and, in effect, are under control of a power elite, who more or less own the institutions. The masses of people (80 percent) are marginalized, diverted and controlled by what he calls Necessary Illusions.

9) Manufacturing consent is related to the understanding that indoctrination is the essence of propaganda.
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While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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In Texas, state officials have ordered concertina wire strung on some banks on the U.S.-side of the Rio Grande and placed large buoys in the river to deter crossings.

In Eagle Pass, stretches of razor wire have dwindled the number of migrants arriving at the Mission: Border Hope shelter from about 1,200 a day last year to between zero and 100 a day today, said Valeria Wheeler, the shelter’s executive director. The migrants who do stagger in often have slashes from the razor wire and are confused over the shifting policy changes. Overall, the moods of the arriving asylum-seekers are at all-time lows, she said.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/inv ... 413101007/
Higgenbotham wrote:
Fri Mar 03, 2023 1:36 pm
The liberal welfare state is collapsing. In the big picture Trump was just another liberal. He spent copious amounts of money and ran up copious amounts of debt, just less than the far left liberals. A conservative position would have been to issue shoot to kill orders for illegals crossing the border, not fund a wall. Bullets are cheap.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott might be the first powerful politician in the United States in decades to adopt middle of the road positions that might be characterized as neither conservative or liberal.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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Who Are the Nation’s Best Governors? Conservative Groups Weigh In

ALEC and a group of conservative economists rate the governors of Texas, Georgia and South Dakota best in the nation. Measured largely on spending and tax rates, Democrats fare poorly in their ranking.

October 19, 2020 • Senior Staff Writer, Alan Greenblatt

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott Abbott ranks first among the governors, according to the Laffer-ALEC study. (Ricardo B. Brazziell/Austin American-Statesman/TNS)TNS

Gov. Greg Abbott has been criticized by Texas Democrats for not spending billions of dollars in federal funds sent to the state through the CARES Act. His decision to hang onto the money, however, has helped earn him top marks from a pair of conservative organizations.

“It’s tempting for governors to spend that money, but at best, if you spend the money, states are kicking the can down the road, and at worst, they’re becoming dependent on a stream of federal revenues that are not going to be there next year,” said Donna Arduin, who has served as a top budget official for several Republican governors.

Arduin is a co-author of a new study ranking the nation’s governors, released Tuesday by Laffer Associates, a consulting firm run by Arduin and the prominent conservative economists Arthur Laffer and Stephen Moore, and the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a group that brings together legislators and private-sector companies to draft model legislation.

Their criteria include tax policy, overall state spending levels, handling of COVID-19 funds, union regulations, health and welfare spending, and school choice and other education policies.

Abbott ranks first among governors, according to the Laffer-ALEC study. “Obviously, Texas has been an economic powerhouse among the states,” said Jonathan Williams, ALEC’s chief economist.
https://www.governing.com/now/who-are-t ... gh-in.html
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Right now we are near an extreme of massive government spending and porous borders for a nation-state system of government. No way to know how much more extreme it will get but it can't go on forever. It seems it will lead to bankruptcy and anarchy. The opposite of massive government spending and porous borders for a nation-state system of government would be cheap and efficient border control with the border only permeable to the extent that it needs to be for legitimate nation-state functions. When Greg Abbott started his program of busing illegals to the east coast and the costs involved were disclosed, along with a border that was still porous, it still seemed consistent with massive government spending. Taking all of history into account, it still looked like left of center with just a slight move to the right. If the more recent news about the handling of the border is consistent with where Texas is heading, with a cheap and efficient way to reduce illegal border crossings to single digit percentages of where they were previously, along with the passage of a gold backed digital currency bill and its implementation, then Texas is making a large turn, unprecedented for this cycle.
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Higg, what do you think about the housing market? What's the odds a bank closure and possible currency/debt crisis could make it a difficult time to buy property even with cash?

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FullMoon wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:52 pm
Higg, what do you think about the housing market? What's the odds a bank closure and possible currency/debt crisis could make it a difficult time to buy property even with cash?
What you seem to be asking is not whether housing is a good value, but whether, if housing becomes cheaper in the future, transactions can actually take place. As you imply, housing could crash as a result of bank closures or possible currency/debt crisis but those conditions make it impossible to consummate most transactions at the low of the market as a practical matter. I think you are right to be considering that possibility. Offhand, I'd guess the odds of that happening are 50-75%. Someone might say that after the 2008 crisis property values stayed down for 3 or 4 years and went even lower than they did in 2008 so, not to worry, there will be plenty of chances to buy at lower prices after any banking crisis. I don't think there's any way to know whether that will be the case again. Also, assuming there is a crisis, I think there will be too many moving parts this time to know what will happen to the housing market. The moving parts that I can think of are (the first two are already in the news lately to some extent): parts of the country become unlivable or uninsurable, materials and labor required to build and maintain property become scarce and expensive, large number of deaths, debt crisis, Fed responds to debt crisis, as well as the usual things that have affected housing in the past like the job market and interest rates, which make it complicated enough, especially with the most rapid increases in interest rates maybe ever.
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