https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFrxgMFbN8cHiggenbotham wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 1:29 pmWorld per capita energy use has been stagnant for several years. If the developed economies were getting huge gains in efficiency to offset the decline in their per capita energy use, that would be one thing but they aren't. Instead, the FIRE economy is filling in the gaps to keep GDP floating higher. Given the longstanding nature of the decline in per capita energy use in the developed economies against the rise of Asia, I don't think it will be possible to reverse this trend completely and "Make America Great Again." Though I do think it would be possible to at least slow the trend.
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It's pretty much true, though, that any position can be corroborated online if someone looks hard enough. I just happened on it, though, because someone linked to it in a blog I regularly read.
Some long term themes:welcome my name is Glenn dies and I'm joined by Alexander mccurtis and Professor Michael Hudson and uh yeah welcome to the both of you and today uh yeah we I really wanted to discuss the decoupling or fragmentation of the international economy and also now the alternative economic architecture emerging I would say primarily in the East but also in other parts of the world so I thought we can start off by yeah discussing the defining economic challenges of our time uh for those of us who were studying economics in the '90s and 2000s uh the big talk was always economic interdependence this was supposed to be the recipe for prosperity and peace uh but these days the rhetoric obviously has changed now uh the main talk in town will be the yeah the a new international division of power so while in the early 2000 the idea was you know the United States would invent the iPhone and the Chinese could assemble it this was the distribution of labor but now of course China has climbed up this Global value chains and it can effectively do both uh the invention of it and the assembly meanwhile Biden recently argued that if something is invented in the US it should also be produced there so it's a dismantling or repatriation of the supply chains going on and uh we also see economic dependence being weaponized I would say uh hijacking of Iranian uh oil tankers uh seizing the Russian Central Bank assets or simply trying to cut off or yeah China's access to technology so I guess my my first question would what does all of this mean this what what are the main Trends and what does it mean not just for the United States and China but also the wider World well countries such as Germany which was very much tied into this uh very liberal economic system be crushed under the new political economy or what uh what what do you see coming the United States was always for free trade after World War II as long as it was the most efficient and strongest industrial producer but uh now that it's not the strongest anymore it's gone back to the protectionism uh that in the 19th century built up its uh uh industry uh to begin with uh the problem is at this time even though the United States and other countries uh are going protectionist uh the United States can't reindustrialize like it could then because it's already uh overloaded its economy uh with financialization uh corporate debt personal debt uh and uh privatized Medical Care privatized education the the economic overhead of getting a job here and the uh the pay that workers have to get uh not simply uh to eat and uh get clothed but for medical insurance for Debt Service uh is prices America out of the market so it really has no alternative but to be uh uh autarchic but it can't be aaric because it's it nobody can see how it can reindustrialize so there's a kind of uh rage going on here among economists and just today the treasury secretary Janet yelen uh is going to China and said well we can't uh uh import uh uh the the the anti the solar uh panels
anymore because China's government supports them as if the US government also doesn't support them and other countries don't support them it's a you're you're getting a travesty almost of the public statements of why uh America has to uh avoid imports from China impos sanctions on Russia uh but the the result is there are going to be shortages uh all throughout economies that are following this withdrawal from uh international trade that it's very that is very interesting when you said that there's going to be shortages um will these s shortages eventually become self-correcting because I I was reading actually again there's been a very interesting in statement by the governor of the Russian Central Bank nabul who um is by the way somebody who I think personally emotionally was very wedded to the neoliberal open market unregulated economic model she's absolutely astonished at what the effect the actual effect of the push to kind of enforced protectionism in Russia has been and in this statement she says that what's actually happening and she says I can't explain it this is astonishing to me is that investment is rising consumer spending is rising wages are rising and in conditions of an inv investment boom production is expanding she says you know I don't quite believe this I worry that the economy a Russian economy is growing faster than capacity that it's going to burn itself out in some way I mean it's it's a very strange statement both confidence in some respects panicky in others this can't be true I mean but is that actually what is going to happen because um this system of everybody link being linked up in a single economic system actually has been I think a relatively recent thing in terms of you know post British Empire time um will in fact the fragmentation actually in the end lead to a more diverse economic landscape and a more balanced one I'm just just wondering because nebulin is now perhaps I think starting to her own astonishment wonder whether that might happen in Russia itself well economists love to use the word self-correcting because if economies are self-correcting you don't need a government you can just have the private sector running the economy and in practice that means Wall Street but there's no way that the American economy can be self-correcting uh with without a few Decades of uh new investment you'd have to reinvent the educational system you would have to take uh public Health into he uh healthare into the public domain so that you could lower the cost of living so that employers wouldn't have to pay such high wages uh you'd have to provide uh Freer education so that workers don't uh graduate uh into the labor force with so much debt uh that they uh need high enough wages to pay the debt uh and even so can't afford to buy houses the the America and also I think uh Western Europe has painted itself into a corner that is now systemic the whole trend from 1945 to today uh all all of these uh uh uh these 70 uh years have uh built up uh such rigidities uh that there's no way that you can break them down and the idea that somehow there's a government policy that can fix things won't work either unless it's so radical a policy uh that it be the current economy anymore and nobody's talking about the need for structural change they just uh uh avoid talking about the debt problem uh talking about uh what makes America high cost and then of course there's the war spending well you you mentioned um uh the the rent seeking as something that makes America very uncompetitive obviously extracting having all this uh well not necessarily oligarchs but people extracting money through um yeah through the way the economy has been financialized intellectual property uh land rights Technologies this obviously is a burden for the productivity and competitiveness of the United States but but there's also a sense of a um rent seeking internationally uh through this monopolistic positions so again when you have a monopoly in certain areas uh obviously this has economic influence well Economic Consequences in terms of the high Prof profitability but you also have the the ability to extract political influence when there's a position of economic Monopoly uh but I but uh um yeah because I remember back in 2009 I think the Putin called the the the dollar um they call it a leech or something along those lines which was also uh suggesting that there was a similar uh way of uh extracting wealth so in other words the rent seeking not just in America but for the entire International Community and I was wondering if this goes into what Alexander was mentioning because uh for for countries around the world well then especially countries who have Alternatives uh uh be it Russia if they're not through intellectual property rights or American Tech platforms or debt Banks the use of the US dollar uh if if they don't use all of this would it be would it result in less efficiency or or would it be essentially say saving themselves or Liber liberating themselves from uh rent seeking from the United States would this have anything to do with it you think you put your finger on it the O official US position it recognized that it can't be uh an industrial exporter anymore though though how is it going to balance the international payments to support the Dollar's exchange rate the solution is rent seeking that's why the United States says well what's the main new rent seeking uh opportunity in World Trade well it's information technology and computer technology that's why the United States is uh fighting China and uh so much and why president Biden has said again and again that China is the number one enemy uh it's trying uh it moved first against Huawei uh for the 5G uh uh Communications and now it's trying to get uh Europe and American uh and Taiwanese exporters not to export uh uh computer chip to China not for the Dutch to export uh uh chip engraving Machinery to China the there's a belief that somehow the United States can if it can prevent other countries from producing high technology inter uh intellectual property rents uh then uh other countries will be dependent and rent seeking really means dependency of other countries that they don't have a choice to pay uh you much uh more uh money than the actual cost of reduction that's uh rent price overv value well uh the United States uh since it can't uh uh compete on value because of the high cost of of living and labor here it can only monopolize rent well China has uh not been deterred uh China's a lead frog over the United States and is producing its own etching Machinery its own uh computer chips and uh uh the question is what is rest of the world going to do well uh the rest of the world means on the one hand the global majority Eurasia the the bricks plus and on the other hand Western Europe Western Europe has bought right in the middle of all this is it really going to foro the uh much less expensive uh Chinese uh exports at Cost uh and including normal profit or is it going to be uh uh let itself be locked in to American rent extracting technology not only for computer chips but for Military Arms uh I know that France SWS to use uh uh the fighting uh in uh uh against Russia uh in Ukraine is an opportunity to say well let's build rebuild the European arms industry but uh the Germans are not particularly in favor of this and the Americans uh certainly said no no when we say you have to spend uh two to three% of your GDP in arms that means by American Arms integrated Army so it's all about rent seeking it's also presumably the reason why we have never succeeded in creating our own uh um social media type infrastructure in Europe we have no European equivalence to Google or TikTok which we're hearing so much about the Chinese Tik Tok or Facebook or anything like that we entirely rely upon the Americans to provide these things for us and whenever there's any attempt to produce anything like that in Europe it it always fails partly because the Americans object to it now I I mean I know all about this because uh my brother I should say worked for a time at the European Parliament and he saw the American lobbying systems that operated within the European Parliament and the European levels in action and extremely effective they were but this isn't a mechanism for economic for technological progress at least this is how it looks to me it's a formula for ultimate stagnation because you're locked in to a system which isn't even as far as I could see focused on development it's focused on rent which is which is which is a completely different thing so um you mentioned that the Chinese you know you use the word leap...
Giant sucking sound of the US dollar system
US economy is too inefficient
The cost structure of the US is too high
Utilities such as education, health care and financial services that should be used to support productive parts of the economy have been turned into extractive businesses and have become most of the economy itself