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NoMansLand wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 11:10 am
Navigator wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:30 pm

Trump, of course, carries significant baggage, and seems to be getting caught with making race baiting remarks, which is the worst possible thing to do.
You have stated your dislike for Trump previously and that is fine. However, given that position, I would like to know if you think he can say anything without the media twisting or even omitting parts of statements to make it seem like the "worst possible thing" ?
I tend to agree that the main stream media are picking the worst Trump and Vance are saying and editing to make it worse. However, what Trump and Vance are saying provides fodder for doing so. Neither is pushing stuff designed to attract the mythical independent who hasn't made up his mind. If Harris has the momentum at the moment, she in some part has Trump and Vance to thank.

I think one big element is the Republican push over the last years rejecting tired old men growing senile, and there should be another younger choice. Whoops.

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NoMansLand wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 11:10 am
Navigator wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:30 pm

Trump, of course, carries significant baggage, and seems to be getting caught with making race baiting remarks, which is the worst possible thing to do.
You have stated your dislike for Trump previously and that is fine. However, given that position, I would like to know if you think he can say anything without the media twisting or even omitting parts of statements to make it seem like the "worst possible thing" ?

I mostly agree with FullMoon that they will put Kamala in the basement, but I don't think they are going to rely on Trump skewering himself. Trump is Trump and they have been screeching the same things for 8 years now. If they need something new, they will make it up out of whole cloth, do what they can to send it viral, campaign on it for the next 5 news cycles, and after the election they will put the correction in the hard print version of the Tuesday edition among the classifieds and legal declarations.

The media used to use "lawyerly" speech,insinuating and leading toward preferred conclusions but never actually lying. That is no longer the case I am afraid.
The media are primarily advocates for their personal positions. They only report actual news as a secondary function and then only when it fits the narrative they want to spin. For example, take the Trump quote of "bloodbath". This had nothing to do with advocating an armed revolt, which is how the media portrayed it. Instead, it was about a "bloodbath in the automotive industry" as a result of woke pro-electric vehicle policies. Which, btw, is a reasonable conclusion of these policies (meaning hundreds of thousands will lose lucrative employment). We can expect the media to continue to portray anything Trump, and now Vance, say in this light.

The media is in the tank for Kamala. Most of it has to do with the liberal bias. Some of the negativity towards Trump is self inflicted, as Trump has attacked anyone not showing a pro-Trump bias. For example, Drudge report used to be neutral. Trump attacked it for saying something negative about him (which was true, not similar to the "bloodbath" example above), and now Drudge is anti-Trump. Trump has even attacked Fox news, which is par for this course given his tendency to self-damage.

The problem for Trump now is that very few wanted a Trump-Biden, old guy vs old guy matchup. Now the Dems have a younger person, and that has moved significant numbers of people towards Kamala. Unfortunately, there is almost nothing about actual platform positions in the media.

Previously I made the point about the Dems could win in a landslide by putting up a middle of the road candidate (Romney was the example). Truth is that either party could do this and win. But both parties are now under the control of extremist wings. The Republicans by Trump, who has banished every candidate who does not kiss his ring and agree to all his opinions (especially the lie that the 2020 election was stolen by illegal means). The Dems are controlled by the woke left wing, who are now happy to have Kamala front the Bernie Sanders platform.

Either a Kamala or a Trump II presidency will be a disaster. Trump originally was fine as he surrounded himself with high quality people. Now he will only tolerate psychophants. Though I would point out that these people would still be much more functional than who Kamala will get. She is a management nightmare. Look at the turnover of her own staff, and her relations with them. She is known for being an incompetent tyrant. She doesn't read her briefing books, then explodes at her staff when she looks like she doesn't know what she's talking about.

We desperately need a third party of competent people with competent policy positions.

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I have great respect for you Navigator, but I don't think Trump will be as bad as you think. Despite his "checkered past," I believe he has been transformed by the events unfolded since he came down the elevator at Trump Tower. If any president has LOST more than Trump as a result of gaining the office (not counting successful assassinations), please point them out. He is old, and doesn't have many more years. I cannot believe he yearns for more money. He has some legal problems, to be sure, and while he may have some culpability, no one in their right mind believes any of the cases would have been brought were he not a candidate (or potential candidate) for another presidency.

I'm not particularly superstitious, but I do believe in (the Christian and Jewish) God. Being shot in the ear was just too damned incredible to not mean something - I mean, what are the odds??? As you have pointed out, this could not have been staged. Rabbi Weisberg draws a parallel between the assassination attempt and Exodus 21:6 (King James Bible) "Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever." The Rabbi claims that Trump is now God's servant. He expounds further and says that as God's servant Trump will help Israel conquer its enemies, which I think is reading a bit too much into it.

God has manifested his will through individuals since antiquity. David arranged to have a soldier under his command killed so that he could have his wife - has Trump done anything rising to that for pure evil?

Let's be honest, we could use a little divine intervention. Just sayin'.

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spottybrowncow wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:17 pm
I have great respect for you Navigator, but I don't think Trump will be as bad as you think. Despite his "checkered past," I believe he has been transformed by the events unfolded since he came down the elevator at Trump Tower. If any president has LOST more than Trump as a result of gaining the office (not counting successful assassinations), please point them out. He is old, and doesn't have many more years. I cannot believe he yearns for more money. He has some legal problems, to be sure, and while he may have some culpability, no one in their right mind believes any of the cases would have been brought were he not a candidate (or potential candidate) for another presidency.

I'm not particularly superstitious, but I do believe in (the Christian and Jewish) God. Being shot in the ear was just too damned incredible to not mean something - I mean, what are the odds??? As you have pointed out, this could not have been staged. Rabbi Weisberg draws a parallel between the assassination attempt and Exodus 21:6 (King James Bible) "Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever." The Rabbi claims that Trump is now God's servant. He expounds further and says that as God's servant Trump will help Israel conquer its enemies, which I think is reading a bit too much into it.

God has manifested his will through individuals since antiquity. David arranged to have a soldier under his command killed so that he could have his wife - has Trump done anything rising to that for pure evil?

Let's be honest, we could use a little divine intervention. Just sayin'.

You bring up a number of important points, and they are important to discuss.

First is what Trump lost as a result of becoming President. Trump may have lost some in the short term, but not a significant percentage of his assets while involved in politics (see link)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexand ... naldtrump/.
The author of the Forbes article has also presented evidence that Trump actually made a lot of money while in office. What I can say for sure is that Trump inflates anything connected with himself (his worth, his intellect, his abilities, his “sacrifices”, and so on).

Trump ran for President out of ego. He refused to accept that he was beaten out of ego. And he is running again in an attempt to satisfy his ego and "prove" that he is not a "loser". He is not running for financial gain. He is even happy to lose another billion if he can win the presidency again. It's about ego and power.

The case against him in NYC about falsifying business records was indeed purely politically motivated. The proof of this is that the falsification was a crime ONLY if it was used to cover up another crime. Yet the prosecutor NEVER identified what that crime was. The Judge telling the jury in the instructions that they don't need to know what the covered-up crime was, was additional proof. This will get overturned on appeal.

However, the cases of his having improperly taken secret documents and shown them to others was valid, and the government should have prosecuted this. The judge that tossed out the case did so on very shady grounds, and did so probably the quest for a higher level judicial appointment should Trump win the election (which, btw, I believe she will get if he wins).

Also, the cases of him interceding in the 2020 election, specifically in Georgia, are valid. You cannot call election officials and tell them to "find votes", and similar things. This case is currently derailed by the malfeasance of the Georgia AG in hiring her boyfriend into the case, and other shenanigans.

As most are aware, I also believe in God (and in his son Jesus Christ). I do not believe in chance, and that Trump was protected for some reason.
However, many people in positions of power have had similar things happen, and we may not fully understand why in this life. For example, Hitler’s life was saved three times that I know of. The bomb in Munich (prewar) went off after Hitler left the speaking venue early, which he had never done before. Mid war, a bomb was planted on his plane, but never went off because the pilot mistakenly flew too high and caused the bomb components to freeze (the pilot got into big trouble for causing discomfort to the important passengers). Late war, the bomb Stauffenberg planted wasn’t effective because the meeting was held in a wooden above ground building (rather than the usual underground bunker – where the contained blast concussion would have killed everyone in the room) AND someone happened to bump into the bomb containing briefcase and moved it away from where Hitler was moments before the explosion. There is of course ZERO case to say that Hitler was God’s chosen servant.
The world would be very different if the attempts on Hitler’s life had succeeded. The same may be true of Trump, his death may have caused things to happen that are very different from what God has designed.

As for Trump being “God’s servant”, God may choose former sinners to represent him, but ONLY after there is sore repentance. Trump is certainly not repentant of the serious sins he has committed. These include fraud in his business dealings (see my prior posts on this for details), innumerable cases of infidelity, and of course pride/ego (nothing about Trump says humility).

The Democrats lost what little credibility they had when they defended Clinton in his impeachment trial. He had committed offenses as a sexual predator, then lied about it under oath. They absolved Clinton because they liked his politics. We need to be careful as conservatives that we don’t do the same with Trump.

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I forgot to add bits on King David's sins/consequences.

King David was God's chosen servant. Right up until he starts doing seriously bad things. Then he wasn't.

King David was guilty of murder and infidelity. He lost his eternal crown as a result, and was denounced by the prophet. He was told his wives would be given to another. He was further told that his repentance had saved him from the lowest level of hell, but this is not salvation. He lost that as a result of Uriah's murder.

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One big problem Kamala has: she's not going to be able to pass herself off as a moderate. She was the most liberal member of the Senate, surpassing even Bernie Sanders. I guarantee her support for BLM, defunding the police, banning fracking, the Green New Deal, open border, etc. will be seen in political ads every day from now to Election Day. Biden was no moderate, but managed to pass himself off as one. Her new VP pick is a hardcore progressive, and Josh Shapiro, who most expected, was denounced by her base for being a Jew.

If it was anyone other than Trump, Republicans would be cruising into the Oval Office, but his behavior is such that even people who can't stand Kamala might vote for him anyway. That being said, my money is still on him winning in November. (I'll check back on this come Election Day) Frankly, I don't care about him paying off a porn star and it was stupid to indict him for it, given even CNN and the NYT stated anyone else would not have been charged.

The media's in the tank for Kamala, of course. When them being liberal is mentioned, they're not moderate Democrats; they're Bernie bros and AOC gals, and even in 2020, they tried to spark Kamalamania. Now that the honeymoon period is fading, she's going to have to campaign, not her strong point, given she failed to make it to Iowa during the primaries.

Had Trump been assassinated, things would have been much, much worse. As it stands, I've noticed how many progressives wishing the shooter had succeeded. Once political violence starts being seen as acceptable, it's very hard to go back; consider what happened in the late Roman Republic.

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Trevor wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2024 3:45 am
One big problem Kamala has: she's not going to be able to pass herself off as a moderate. She was the most liberal member of the Senate, surpassing even Bernie Sanders. I guarantee her support for BLM, defunding the police, banning fracking, the Green New Deal, open border, etc. will be seen in political ads every day from now to Election Day. Biden was no moderate, but managed to pass himself off as one. Her new VP pick is a hardcore progressive, and Josh Shapiro, who most expected, was denounced by her base for being a Jew.

If it was anyone other than Trump, Republicans would be cruising into the Oval Office, but his behavior is such that even people who can't stand Kamala might vote for him anyway. That being said, my money is still on him winning in November. (I'll check back on this come Election Day) Frankly, I don't care about him paying off a porn star and it was stupid to indict him for it, given even CNN and the NYT stated anyone else would not have been charged.

The media's in the tank for Kamala, of course. When them being liberal is mentioned, they're not moderate Democrats; they're Bernie bros and AOC gals, and even in 2020, they tried to spark Kamalamania. Now that the honeymoon period is fading, she's going to have to campaign, not her strong point, given she failed to make it to Iowa during the primaries.

Had Trump been assassinated, things would have been much, much worse. As it stands, I've noticed how many progressives wishing the shooter had succeeded. Once political violence starts being seen as acceptable, it's very hard to go back; consider what happened in the late Roman Republic.
I agree completely. Trump has GOT to go after her record and her extreme left positions.

Had Trump been assassinated, Nikki Haley would be cruising to a landslide victory with Trump as martyr. The progressives are actually lucky that Trump didn't die. Right now the betting odds have changed from -160 Trump (pre Biden drop out - significant in Trump favor) to -101 Trump; pretty much even money. Hopefully this will change, but it looks to be a real nail biter.

As I mentioned before, Kamala would be worse than Trump. Unfortunately there is no viable third choice at this point.

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Navigator wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:07 am

As for Trump being “God’s servant”, God may choose former sinners to represent him, but ONLY after there is sore repentance. Trump is certainly not repentant of the serious sins he has committed. These include fraud in his business dealings (see my prior posts on this for details), innumerable cases of infidelity, and of course pride/ego (nothing about Trump says humility).
Everyone is entitled to their opinion based on the knowledge we have, but in my journey, if I have never actually met a man, or spoken to him in person I will not make any judgement of his relationship with God. Especially after a near death experience, I don't think you can know if a man has God in his heart unless you can know the man with at least a friends degree of intimacy. A bullet can change a person, the man who never knew God may seek him out and a man who always followed God may lose him for a while. Or longer.

A man cheats on his wife, but asks for forgiveness from both her and God. He receives forgiveness and never cheats again, do we judge that man based on the sin he undoubtedly committed, or on his willingness to seek forgiveness? I have no idea if those conversations have happened in his marriage or his prayers, and I doubt I ever will.

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CAIRO (AP) — Egypt’s Civil Aviation Ministry said Wednesday it has ordered Egyptian airlines to avoid Iranian airspace for three hours the following day after a notice from Tehran to do so because of military exercises.

The warning comes amid soaring tensions in the region following last week’s assassination of Hamas’ leader in Tehran. The Egyptian ministry said the warning came in a notice sent by Iran to all commercial airlines.

The ministry said the ban from Iranian airspace was to last for three hours, 4:30 a.m. to 7:30 a.m. on Thursday. Iran’s warning also covered three hours earlier on Wednesday, the ministry added.
https://apnews.com/article/egypt-iran-a ... e6e82f285f

4:54 AM IRST (UTC+3:30)
Tehran, Iran • Thursday, August 8, 2024


We're all waiting for something to happen....

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There apparently is some internal conflict within the Iranian leadership over what to do next. Hardliners want a big strike, Moderates (lead by the new president) want something minor like a strike on a Kurdistan base used by Israelis.

My guess is that they will reach a compromise where they do something akin to the last strike now, then wait for the Chinese to make their move and engage US assets, then try to do something more dramatic.

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