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NoMansLand wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2024 2:05 pm
Everyone is entitled to their opinion based on the knowledge we have, but in my journey, if I have never actually met a man, or spoken to him in person I will not make any judgement of his relationship with God. Especially after a near death experience, I don't think you can know if a man has God in his heart unless you can know the man with at least a friends degree of intimacy. A bullet can change a person, the man who never knew God may seek him out and a man who always followed God may lose him for a while. Or longer.

A man cheats on his wife, but asks for forgiveness from both her and God. He receives forgiveness and never cheats again, do we judge that man based on the sin he undoubtedly committed, or on his willingness to seek forgiveness? I have no idea if those conversations have happened in his marriage or his prayers, and I doubt I ever will.
I sympathize with not judging another's relationship with God, but anyone with Trump's legal record would not exactly be in tune with "those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him."

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Navigator wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:36 pm
There apparently is some internal conflict within the Iranian leadership over what to do next. Hardliners want a big strike, Moderates (lead by the new president) want something minor like a strike on a Kurdistan base used by Israelis.

My guess is that they will reach a compromise where they do something akin to the last strike now, then wait for the Chinese to make their move and engage US assets, then try to do something more dramatic.
Maybe anyone wanting to try something that will take the US response doesn't want to be first. Whoever goes first gets the brunt of the forces and then the next has an easier time of it. China can wait but Iran's window of opportunity to strike back is already getting stretched.

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Bob Butler wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:56 pm
anyone with Trump's legal record would not exactly be in tune with "those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him."
Nelson Mandela was convicted and served time for incitement. I guess you'd agree that makes him a criminal just like Trump.

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spottybrowncow wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 7:21 am
Bob Butler wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:56 pm
anyone with Trump's legal record would not exactly be in tune with "those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him."
Nelson Mandela was convicted and served time for incitement. I guess you'd agree that makes him a criminal just like Trump.
South Africa at the time dealt routinely with racism, not Lincoln's idea of a divine attribute. If you can't see how that makes a difference, I can't help you.

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Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 12:31 pm
South Africa at the time dealt routinely with racism, not Lincoln's idea of a divine attribute. If you can't see how that makes a difference, I can't help you.
We're currently dealing with selective prosecution by a corrupt weaponized DOJ and by extreme left wing state and local governments. If justice ultimately prevails, history will judge Trump as innocent as Mandela. If you don't see the connection, I can't help you.

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spottybrowncow wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 1:30 pm
Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 12:31 pm
South Africa at the time dealt routinely with racism, not Lincoln's idea of a divine attribute. If you can't see how that makes a difference, I can't help you.
We're currently dealing with selective prosecution by a corrupt weaponized DOJ and by extreme left wing state and local governments. If justice ultimately prevails, history will judge Trump as innocent as Mandela. If you don't see the connection, I can't help you.
Sometime governments by law require unethical things. Putin wanted to invade. Hamas wanted to locate warrior functions in schools and hospitals. Israel wants to bomb said schools and hospitals. South Africa enforced apartheid. If all laws were just, if all government actions were ethical, your logic would begin to make.sense.

I happen to agree with all the laws Trump has been prosecuted under. The various federal and state justice departments have as their job to prosecute people who violate these just laws. They can’t prosecute them all. They can try, but they are outnumbered by the Trumps of the world. But if you attract attention - for example by running by for president - you are going to be one of the ones selected for prosecution. You had best live right if you are going to seek elected office. Trump just has never believed in living right. He has constantly attempted all sorts of ways to violate society's norms.

I happen to think Biden didn’t take any special action to persecute Trump. There is certainly no evidence of it, and inventing evidence should not amount to a get of jail free card. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime, which is not a principle Trump has lived by.

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The point was, at least half of the country thinks Trump is no more guilty of his one conviction than Mandela was for his several. Sorry it went over your head.

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spottybrowncow wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:34 pm
The point was, at least half of the country thinks Trump is no more guilty of his one conviction than Mandela was for his several. Sorry it went over your head.
MAGA is partisan and has partisan opinions. Trump without question and habitually violated just laws while Mandela was fighting unjust ones. That makes a difference.

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Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:14 pm
spottybrowncow wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:34 pm
The point was, at least half of the country thinks Trump is no more guilty of his one conviction than Mandela was for his several. Sorry it went over your head.
MAGA is partisan and has partisan opinions. Trump without question and habitually violated just laws while Mandela was fighting unjust ones. That makes a difference.
Abuse of the legal system has gone both ways in this case. Neither side is "better". It's clearly a further erosion of public trust and hastening the demise of a previously good system. All for partisan politics. And blind hatred. Which we see all the world in the burgeoning world war. Hatred and bloodlust.

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Navigator wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:36 pm
There apparently is some internal conflict within the Iranian leadership over what to do next. Hardliners want a big strike, Moderates (lead by the new president) want something minor like a strike on a Kurdistan base used by Israelis.

My guess is that they will reach a compromise where they do something akin to the last strike now, then wait for the Chinese to make their move and engage US assets, then try to do something more dramatic.
I'd guess the Chinese are waiting for nukes to be used in the other theaters of this WW. Everyone is prepared for their use except the American public. I think the level of shock coming to the average person is hard to imagine. Even for those of us who see it coming, it's just surreal. Nuclear winter was a theory that didn't hold up well and won't cause the "end of the world". It will be the end of life for those unprepared.

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