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FullMoon wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:42 pm
Abuse of the legal system has gone both ways in this case. Neither side is "better". It's clearly a further erosion of public trust and hastening the demise of a previously good system. All for partisan politics. And blind hatred. Which we see all the world in the burgeoning world war. Hatred and bloodlust.
I will not deny (or applaud) that the different are oppressed. Partisanship exists,

It does seem stupid to run for elected office when you have habitually broken the law and the other partisan side controls an applicable justice department. Stupidity isn't a crime, but...

Prosecuting those who have broken the law is part of the justice system. Are you against rule of law? Have you noted it is predominantly Republicans who have broken it and are being pursued by various justice departments? That alone makes the Democrats "better".

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spottybrowncow wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:34 pm
The point was, at least half of the country thinks Trump is no more guilty of his one conviction than Mandela was for his several. Sorry it went over your head.
That is the point. I don't see a poll offhand for the one conviction but the numbers are probably similar.
62 percent in new poll say federal charges against Trump politically motivated
BY OLAFIMIHAN OSHIN - 06/21/23 4:13 PM ET

Nearly two-thirds of Americans polled in a Quinnipiac University survey released Wednesday said the Department of Justice’s (DOJ) case against former President Trump over the mishandling of classified documents after he left the White House is mainly motivated by politics.

The poll found that 62 percent of respondents said the DOJ’s case against the former president is mainly motivated by politics, while 34 percent of those surveyed think the federal charges against Trump are mainly motivated by law.
https://thehill.com/homenews/4061063-62 ... motivated/
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Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:22 pm
That is the point. I don't see a poll offhand for the one conviction but the numbers are probably similar.
OK. Let’s look at individual motivation. I don’t think Biden thought he had to tell Garland to do his job. Perhaps he did need to. Garland went after everybody but Trump in the early days. The cases against the foot soldiers and plotters of Jan 6 proceeded fairly quickly, except against Trump. Only after Congress and the people become driven was the Special Prosecutor assigned. Smith is a pro. You tell him to prosecute somebody and he will it to the best of his ability. That isn’t political either. Those three people are those who matter.

Now the state prosecutors? Another question. In Georgia, you make state officials look bad, the people get behind the prosecution. In New York, if you forbid the federal prosecution from proceeding in spite of the evidence, you will tick off the state people. In other places where you try to subvert the will of the people, nullify their votes, yes, you get someone after you. Thus, fake electoral cases are bubbling up in a few places.

Still, there is political motivation too. It should not be looked at as law or politics, but both forces are in play. As I said before, if you are a habitual criminal it is a bad idea to run for office in a region where the other partisan side controls the relevant justice department. It was a good idea for Trump to move from New York to Florida, but the Covid laws made the move too late. If anything, Trump avoided prosecution with Bill Barr and others firing prosecutors and aborting investigations, with the Supreme Court and Eileen Cannon issuing obviously partisan judgements. Both sides are into the partisan persecution game.

The key question remains whether you habitually violated the norms of society, if you regularly broke the law. Did the 60 to 0 cases evaluating the Big Lie count? Did the various convictions and indictments vetted by juries? Suppose on this size problem it becomes inevitable that the opposition will control part of the justice system, that neither side controls enough of it to block or advance everything. That seems to be the case here. Trump managed to delay things beyond the election, but it is not looking like he will be able to block it entirely. With how Kamala is going, that does not look like enough.

So, yes, the games are being played, but it is not clear that they were played at the highest level, excepting the Supreme Court.

But the key is that if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. The country is divided, and so is the justice system. Republicans did the crimes and are going to jail for it. This does not make them “better”. The Republican attempts to find similar crimes by Democrats fell flat. Oh, there is that state representative in Texas that got himself in trouble, and Hunter is one of many who messed up with drugs. Still, there seem to be none of these games of manipulating the justice system in either case.

Will extreme partisans perceive the meddling is worse than it looks and lopsided agains them? Yes. Sure. They believe what they feel like believing. This isn’t the sort of question answered by polls. You want evidence, which is lacking.

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Higgenbotham wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:22 pm
spottybrowncow wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:34 pm
The point was, at least half of the country thinks Trump is no more guilty of his one conviction than Mandela was for his several. Sorry it went over your head.
That is the point. I don't see a poll offhand for the one conviction but the numbers are probably similar.
62 percent in new poll say federal charges against Trump politically motivated
BY OLAFIMIHAN OSHIN - 06/21/23 4:13 PM ET

Nearly two-thirds of Americans polled in a Quinnipiac University survey released Wednesday said the Department of Justice’s (DOJ) case against former President Trump over the mishandling of classified documents after he left the White House is mainly motivated by politics.

The poll found that 62 percent of respondents said the DOJ’s case against the former president is mainly motivated by politics, while 34 percent of those surveyed think the federal charges against Trump are mainly motivated by law.
https://thehill.com/homenews/4061063-62 ... motivated/
Sadly together with the political mismanagement of COVID , there's really plenty of reasons to mistrust management. If it wasn't done intentionally to ruin us, then it's clear evidence of the collapse into the new dark age.

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The Harris campaign has been caught faking her support, using AI and other tech to make it seem as if there are large crowds of supporters for her and that the crowds she does get are larger than they actually are. One glaring example was a video of her and Walz getting off of airforce 2 in an empty airport and the crowd added to the video. One thing that was a dead give away was that there was no reflection of the crowd on the plane. There are other examples that I don't have the time to go through. They are preparing things to try and steal it again. By the way the owner of Smartmatic the election machine company that has helped the communists in Venezuela steal multiple elections and whose software in used in Dominion voting machines which are used here in the US in places like the main battle ground states Biden "won" has been arrested for fraud along with a few of Smartmatic's executives. But hey lets keep up the BS of their was no election fraud in 2020 and 2022 because we don't want to really do research. Another thing a computer expert in a Georgia court hacked a dominion voting machine using a pen and switched multiple votes. I think the people who say that the last 2 elections were fair and without fraud are either lazy, don't like Trump, or don't want to believe that the America they love no longer exists.

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Also has anybody noticed what is happening across the pond? In northern Ireland Protestants flying the Union Jack and Catholics flying the try color are marching together as brothers against the government and the migrants. In the UK there are large protests and there is even violence, of course the government is siding with the raping and murdering migrants over the Brits and the Irish. Like Sam Hyde said " the world is not dying, it is being killed and the People who are murdering it all have faces, names and addresses. I posed the question a few months back, How long before the native Europeans realize this and how long before they start to figure out that common regular items can be used as very effective weapons. Well I just saw a video of some Irish youths fire bombing a cop car with 2 cops in it using home made molotov cocktails. One thing that never fails to amaze me is how the psychopaths that rule us don't understand basic human psychology and history. Apparently they are infected with the "this time it's different virus".

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The mainstream media is always in the tank for the Dems and the globalists.

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Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 11:45 pm
Higgenbotham wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:22 pm
That is the point. I don't see a poll offhand for the one conviction but the numbers are probably similar.
The key question remains whether you habitually violated the norms of society, if you regularly broke the law.
If Trump regularly broke the law, why no jail time throughout his life? Surely with his wealth, he was under heavy IRS and other scrutiny. Why now the threat of prosecution after he left office? Everyone just recently realized he's a criminal?

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Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:03 am
Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 11:45 pm
Higgenbotham wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:22 pm
That is the point. I don't see a poll offhand for the one conviction but the numbers are probably similar.
The key question remains whether you habitually violated the norms of society, if you regularly broke the law.
If Trump regularly broke the law, why no jail time throughout his life? Surely with his wealth, he was under heavy IRS and other scrutiny. Why now the threat of prosecution after he left office? Everyone just recently realized he's a criminal?
It's CLEARLY politically motivated. But the assassination attempt and legal battles are okay because the man is a threat to democracy. The threat to democracy is not the subversion of law and attempt to assassinate a President. Not when that person is a threat to democracy. Just get prepped cause it's gonna be a long winter. Even nuclear winter won't last more than a season or two. Up has become down and the insanity of this world is nearing breaking point.

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FullMoon wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2024 12:40 pm
guest wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:03 am
If Trump regularly broke the law, why no jail time throughout his life? Surely with his wealth, he was under heavy IRS and other scrutiny. Why now the threat of prosecution after he left office? Everyone just recently realized he's a criminal?
It's CLEARLY politically motivated. But the assassination attempt and legal battles are okay because the man is a threat to democracy. The threat to democracy is not the subversion of law and attempt to assassinate a President. Not when that person is a threat to democracy. Just get prepped cause it's gonna be a long winter. Even nuclear winter won't last more than a season or two. Up has become down and the insanity of this world is nearing breaking point.
Trump did have problems over the years. Back in the 70s there were racial discrimination suits. Trump University was hit around 2010. Still, white collar crime doesn't generally result in jail time.

But I'm also seeing Kamala's popularity as being an aspect of switching from crisis to high. The crisis culture wars issues like Covid, cops murdering minorities, race riots, voting rights and the insurrection are running or have run their course. Biden, Trump, Pelosi and McConnell are among the boomers fading to gone. A new generation of voters is sick of the crisis mentality and ready to move on. Hope, change and all that. I'm thinking that is part of why nothing Trump has tried recently is sticking. The new values introduced by the crisis are taking hold. The turnings are turning.

I'll add that both sides are manipulating justice. Cannon and the Supremes are abetting delay. The impeachments saw partisan voting rather than responding to evidence. It is for the good that it is all going into the past. Let's all go build some infrastructure.

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