Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

[Bob Butler]

A lot there, most of which I don’t see as overly relevant. I’ll hit a few points.

With global warming, overpopulation and a more diverse population, things are changing for prudent reasons. This does not necessarily indicate collapse, but rational response to stimulus. We are hitting the limits to growth so we should properly limit growth. This does not indicate collapse. All the conditions mentioned are real. The answer is better health care, not bans on women’s health or repealing Obamacare. None of the issues are likely to lead to collapse of the whole system.

Not that a little exaggerated panic that shakes people awake would hurt just now.

We did have a dip in population associated with the Covid pandemic. It came. It went. It does not indicate a permanent condition.

The insurrection is called so by most everybody. You are not going to dismiss a commonly used word to humor your eccentricity. Dream on. I note, however, that a war, revolution or similar large scale uprising is more necessary in an autocratic environment. If Putin’s expansionism or China’s economic collapse go far enough, a step towards functional democracy is likely to involve a potent movement. In some parts of the world, democracy is enough.

Things change. As one problem is addressed, and humans are still mortal, something else will develop. Nothing you list is unaddressable. Nothing there would cause a collapse. I understand you are at least as much into collapse as I am into turnings, ages and civilizations. We look at history through different perspectives. It is just that collapses are so rare as to be nonexistent. Problems like limits to growth and global warming are presenting new challenges. Maybe mining asteroids will help. Maybe recognizing the problems rather than maximizing profits now will help. Maybe developing areas like Canada and Siberia which have remained underdeveloped due to cold climates will help. I can’t see what shape the next crisis resolution will take. Yes, a series of mass extinctions is taking place. Yes the problems we will hit by next awakening will make a new definition of insurrection seem trivial. But I don’t see a problem which is not in time solvable. In the long run human population has exploded, if anything too fast. What you call collapses are mere glitches.

When you run into limits to growth, you limit growth. That can be a solution as much as a problem.

[Higgenbotham]

A lot there, most of which I don’t see as overly relevant. I’ll hit a few points.

With global warming, overpopulation and a more diverse population, things are changing for prudent reasons. This does not necessarily indicate collapse, but rational response to stimulus. We are hitting the limits to growth so we should properly limit growth. This does not indicate collapse. All the conditions mentioned are real. The answer is better health care, not bans on women’s health or repealing Obamacare. None of the issues are likely to lead to collapse of the whole system.

Not that a little exaggerated panic that shakes people awake would hurt just now.

We did have a dip in population associated with the Covid pandemic. It came. It went. It does not indicate a permanent condition.

The insurrection is called so by most everybody. You are not going to dismiss a commonly used word to humor your eccentricity. Dream on. I note, however, that a war, revolution or similar large scale uprising is more necessary in an autocratic environment. If Putin’s expansionism or China’s economic collapse go far enough, a step towards functional democracy is likely to involve a potent movement. In some parts of the world, democracy is enough.

Things change. As one problem is addressed, and humans are still mortal, something else will develop. Nothing you list is unaddressable. Nothing there would cause a collapse. I understand you are at least as much into collapse as I am into turnings, ages and civilizations. We look at history through different perspectives. It is just that collapses are so rare as to be nonexistent. Problems like limits to growth and global warming are presenting new challenges. Maybe mining asteroids will help. Maybe recognizing the problems rather than maximizing profits now will help. Maybe developing areas like Canada and Siberia which have remained underdeveloped due to cold climates will help. I can’t see what shape the next crisis resolution will take. Yes, a series of mass extinctions is taking place. Yes the problems we will hit by next awakening will make a new definition of insurrection seem trivial. But I don’t see a problem which is not in time solvable. In the long run human population has exploded, if anything too fast. What you call collapses are mere glitches.

When you run into limits to growth, you limit growth. That can be a solution as much as a problem.

Subject matter experts, while not infallible, are useful. They are more useful for evaluating certain of what I call the dark age outputs than others. There's a man in Norway who has an IQ of 186. For a living, he does something like install unique equipment in automobiles. He was asked why he's not a researcher. His response was that there are a lot of good researchers.

There are certain dark age outputs in the list that subject matter experts on the particular output say indicate that a new dark age is unavoidable. An example would be here:

Outputs Related to Resource Depletion

1. "According to Dr Kristine Nichols, a soil microbiologist and regenerative agriculture expert, of the 900 million arable acres in the U.S., only about 1.5% is being farmed regeneratively. Iowa soil, for instance, was once among the most fertile on the planet, but is now rapidly being depleted. The average topsoil depth has decreased from around 14-18 inches at the beginning of the 20th century, to 6-8 inches by the year 2000."

Subject matter experts say that the current extent of soil degradation is only present in collapsing societies.

There are other outputs that subject matter experts consider potentially more serious than being indicators of a new dark age. They may, if taken much further, and they are trending very rapidly, result in something worse than the run of the mill dark age. Examples of that are mostly in the health related outputs. For example:

Outputs Related to Toxic Exposures, Reproductive/Children's Health and Transgenerational Effects

12. "Studies show that age-specific testosterone levels in men have been in a slow and consistent decline for several decades. Researchers call the changes “alarming” from an evolutionary point of view."

There are several of these.

Also, there are outputs that subject matter experts consider to be unprecedented, but don't give an opinion as to how to classify them beyond that. An example would be here:

Outputs related to Economic Breakdown

1. "Now they (the Bank for International Settlements) are warning of a crash the scale of which we have never seen before, with a staggering $80trillion (£65trillion) at stake." "It'll wipe out every dollar in the world."

Lastly, there are outputs that, on an individual basis, aren't indicative of a new dark age but, taken as a group, probably are.

The right time to limit growth was when the crisis began. For the year when the crisis began, I'll use John's year of 2003 (58 years after the end of the previous crisis). If growth had been intelligently limited at that time, the dark age outputs staring us in the face may now look quite different.

[Bob Butler]

Yah, there are experts, and there are experts. Some say a high will come four score and seven years after the last. Other say we must have had a collapse somewhen, so we must be going to have another. Some say cut taxes to the rich and deficit spend. Others work to curtail corporate profits, pay down the debt and build the middle class. Some start a war for oil. Others work for strong alliances to deter expansionist conflict. Some work to conserve energy as we are approaching the limits to growth, and to curtail carbon release to fight global warming. Others want to profit now. In short, if you have an opinion, you can find an 'expert' to agree. even if a blindfold is required. It is a question as to which expert you buy into. Generally, it is those you agree with. If you are profiting of the status quo and buying politicians to set policy, you can get a mess.

I happen to agree with those who see problems approaching and are trying do do something about it. To date, Malthus has been proven 'wrong'. He foresaw problems early which haven't developed yet. Partial solutions haven't prevented the problems from continuing to develop, and for his heirs to cry for better solutions. It is progressives that see the new problems and work for solutions. It is conservatives who want to stay the same and continue short term profit.

See the problem, exaggerate it, cry, whine, panic and give up? No thank you. As I said, there are advantages to overblown opinions to cause those not aware to wake up. Absurdly obviously exaggerated opinions result in rejection and are not helpful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus

[aedens]

To late the wasting period has passed I was told.
Washington absolutley does not and will not care as the wasting was the feature breaking them to pieces and grinding them to dust.
News conveys on behalf of the American people. Coke or Pepsi as these fools bury us.
Freidman was right the brain damaged one was wrong go figure.

https://x.com/RealEJAntoni/status/1823701645328572497

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1824409235486032221

Bish centers looted to abject obvlion from the locust they willfully ignored.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... asj+jordon Lightswitch Alinsky already here as the Kalergi cult hunts anything relating to fact over there. Just like reading Isa 41 in real time as these demons again rot within as told.

[aeden]

Wage not keeping up with inflation? No problem, just get a "side hustle" and paying your inflated rent will magically become "easy peasy".

https://gdxforum.com/forum/search.php?keywords=ZEC%27s
Implementations will and are the norm.
Over there coal is in full throttle as the States rot in platitudes of stern letters and funding more actual stupidity.

The last rogue wave was hedged but we could have done better. The early calls to tbills and utwo assisted
in effort to raise cash as the smart money hedges the ongoing uniparty oblivion. The taxpayer will and are roadkill
as Hightower warned on what is in the middle of the road other than yellow lines and the fact as red diaper baby's with
Hammers. BLM and DEI fools just announces the fact.

Good Luck with your imposed Schlieffen Plan to affairs over there to buy time.

Truth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqFDkkLNxuY They reject the facts.

How The Democrats Lost Silicon Valley.
When the grandson of communists compares your tax policy to Lenin's liquidation of the kulaks,
you might have gone too far.

Openly evil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8AYHaz6ymM


https://alphahistory.com/worldwar1/wp-c ... t-bg12.jpg

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[aeden]

He is done.
Developer pulls out of Portland after four decades: 'How can you be this dysfunctional?'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6B0tlNiN-E

Ferals, Locusts, Democrats took another one out.

It's a feature to destroy them and steal from them.

This is all on purpose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jezGMgwBxfY Impossible to remove the ferals and locusts now but yea we will fine you
for criminals we ignore, and we will steal your property for taxes.

To late further South.

Bills to tackle California crime in retail, vehicle theft.
Six minutes press remarks that said nothing. The wasting process will continue.

[aeden]

Europe is lost once again was already seen very long ago.
If not to the Fourth Reich that is currently in control, then the Jihadis that are currently engaged in Hijrah, just in their time as warned what rises. The test here will come when the Fascist already demand extradition of American citizens.

https://www.politicalislam.com/
https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-German-7th ... inz-Eugen/

[vincecate]

As a Libertarian, I find Kamala's plans for price controls scary. Debasing the money and price controls is the core of what I think killed Rome and many countries since then. I was talking with an intelligent liberal friend and he said he did not care if she is communist, as long as Trump is not President.
I really hope I can get some money together to buy more puts fast enough.

[aeden]

Every pull back V.
The democrats are just cluster b lunatics.
The rot is institutional weaponization propaganda as they marched through and step four active measures as warned hardens
around the victims.

https://www.centralcharts.com/en/news/4 ... ehavior-39

[Higgenbotham]

Health care?

First off, I don’t see how the issue causes a dark age. You are the one who sees dark ages everywhere. Please explain how you pretend it is so.

The general characteristics manifesting at the cusp of this dark age allow for the generation of dark age outputs. Looking at the outputs, none of the outputs I have highlighted mention "health care" specifically. However, many mention the trend of the decline in health of the population. The decline in health has little to do with "health care". It has to do with entrenched dark age characteristics. It's not like there is any better "health care" that is going to suddenly reverse the dark age health-related outputs.

Kamala Harris' Stepdaughter Speaks Out on Lifelong Health Issue
Published Aug 14, 2024 at 9:11 AM EDT
Updated Aug 14, 2024 at 9:09 PM EDT

Kamala Harris' stepdaughter, Ella Emhoff, is speaking out about her lifelong health issue.

The daughter of Harris' husband, Doug Emhoff, took to her Instagram Stories on Tuesday to share details and ask for advice on "pain management."

"Behind every piece is a pain management device hard at work," she said. "I have bad chronic back pain and have for most of my life. My chronic pain people, what are we using to feel comf [sic]?"

In a follow-up message, Emhoff shared her appreciation for those who replied to her.

"Alright the responses have been COMING IN HOT it's actually very comforting seeing how many people can relate to chronic pain and also very sad," the model continued.

"Just for context, I was born with a tethered spine (iykyk) [if you know you know] which caused my back to not properly lengthen when I was growing and caused a kyphosis (hunchback)," Emhoff explained. "Was in and out of doctors and PT for most of my adolescence. Got lower back surgery grew a million inches and now deal with chronic pain. I'll be posting the responses in some form."

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris- ... th-1939049

Outputs Related to Political, Social and Educational Breakdown

12. "And on the other side of the room, literally, I was looking at pain and that every year in the National Health Interview Survey, we get pretty good battery of questions on pain. And that from the 1990s onward, people were reporting more and more pain every year." "I mean, one of the things when Anne and I were on different sides of the room back in 2013, which we covered fairly early on, was that across space, pain and suicide are very closely correlated with one another. So, pain predicts suicide better than guns predicts suicide, for example --" "But one other little piece of the puzzle when we were pulling it apart was that these deaths from alcohol and deaths separately from suicide and deaths separately from drugs are much worse for birth cohorts that came up on later. So, people born in 1960 are at higher risk at any given age than people born in 1950. And those born in 1970 are in worse shape than those born in 1960 and so on."

Outputs Related to Toxic Exposures, Reproductive/Children's Health and Transgenerational Effects

22. "The current generation is the sickest in American history. When John F. Kennedy was president, 6% of American kids had a chronic health condition. Today it is 60%. Rates of autoimmune disease, diabetes, ADD and ADHD, autism, obesity, asthma, food allergies, and other chronic health conditions have been skyrocketing."

A few months ago, I was watching a video of a prominent high tech executive (no need to name him) describing how his son has celiac disease and showing how the wonders of the Internet allow him to access information to help deal with it.

What we don't see is better "information" or better "health care" making any dent in the rising incidence of diseases in young people. The use of "health care" to amerliorate the effects of the rising incidence is quite expensive, as appears to be the case with Ms Emhoff.

Shortly after the discussion took place (between Bob Butler and me), Kamala outlined a plan to assuage some of America's concerns about "health care". It's a good political move and is certain to gain her some votes, but it won't solve the problem.

Harris pledges to scrap billions in medical debt with new presidential platform
Erasing more than $200 billion in medical debt would require cooperation from Congress and state governments

By Sarah Owermohle and Rachel Cohrs Zhang Aug. 16, 2024

WASHINGTON — Vice President Harris says she wants to cancel billions of dollars in medical debt if elected president this fall.

The plan, unveiled Friday in a wide-ranging platform to cut Americans’ economic costs, is a longtime progressive policy goal. It eclipses a Biden administration initiative this June to exclude medical debt from credit reports, as well as previous Covid-19 relief funding aimed at clearing debt. However, erasing bills amounting to more than $200 billion across the U.S. would require unprecedented congressional and state government cooperation with the White House.

https://www.statnews.com/2024/08/16/kam ... ug-prices/