Navigator wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:16 am
spottybrowncow wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:29 pm
Bob Butler wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:10 pm
[ Pretending loyalty to Trump is understandable if you have racist tendencies or have strong religious or moral views that you wish to impose on others, but it leaves one in space sometimes.
"Declaring some loyalty to Trump is understandable if you wish to secure the border, want America to be respected internationally, want the Constitution to be followed by law enforcement, want America to be energy self-sufficient and thriving economically, want to control what happens to your minor children, and otherwise generally don't want to F*** with anyone else or be F***** with."
Bob, the reason you get slammed so often on this board is your inability to use reason and logic. Hence Spotty's reply.,, (Snip.)
Granted, there may be other reasons to favor Trump, but to do so requires being blind to his rather blatant faults. You have to buy into them, which is not an act of reason, logic or morality.
The primary idea here, at the core of Generational Dynamics, is that if you learn to hate other groups - often ethnic - you have an advantage in using force. You become immune to morality and love. I oft argue that force is no longer advantageous. Whether you are trying to profit from war or maintain domestic racial superiority, pursuing violence is not from my perspective advantageous. Thus, the central idea behind Generational Dynamics is racist and flawed. Trying to present violence as cool requires acceptance of equally flawed ideas.
This does not mean am a stranger to logic and fact. Did my comment on Trumps behaviors breach logic or fact? Did he violate the constitution, break up families, F*** around, act criminally, or do the rest? When you gloss over these flaws, are you not glossing over logic, fact and truth?
My difference is in saying there are two different worldviews, and if you but into one you end up buying into the whole package, including the parts that are In no way pardonable.
I agree, the Ten Commandments include one culture’s way of expressing certain near universal concepts that are endorsed and included by many going on all cultures. Yet hating Jews is also embraced by a lot of cultures. (That dates back to their viewing usury differently from Christians at the time, thus some Jewish bankers provided loan service no others chose to provide. This evolved into a hatred of the entire Jewish culture, even after providing loans became acceptable.) Not stealing, not murdering, respecting family and showing love are common values given lip service by many cultures. Stealing, murdering, tearing apart families and hate are common too. One still comes back to hating the other and seeking superiority and control. One shouldn’t. One should not wage wars such as Putin’s. One should not provoke insurrections like Trump. One should not tear children from parents. One should not F*** around without consent and respect.
While there are some conservative ideas that can be defended or even embraced, the current MAGA crowd is not focused there.