Limits to Growth
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 5:03 am
A lot there, most of which I don’t see as overly relevant. I’ll hit a few points.
With global warming, overpopulation and a more diverse population, things are changing for prudent reasons. This does not necessarily indicate collapse, but rational response to stimulus. We are hitting the limits to growth so we should properly limit growth. This does not indicate collapse. All the conditions mentioned are real. The answer is better health care, not bans on women’s health or repealing Obamacare. None of the issues are likely to lead to collapse of the whole system.
Not that a little exaggerated panic that shakes people awake would hurt just now.
We did have a dip in population associated with the Covid pandemic. It came. It went. It does not indicate a permanent condition.
The insurrection is called so by most everybody. You are not going to dismiss a commonly used word to humor your eccentricity. Dream on. I note, however, that a war, revolution or similar large scale uprising is more necessary in an autocratic environment. If Putin’s expansionism or China’s economic collapse go far enough, a step towards functional democracy is likely to involve a potent movement. In some parts of the world, democracy is enough.
Things change. As one problem is addressed, and humans are still mortal, something else will develop. Nothing you list is unaddressable. Nothing there would cause a collapse. I understand you are at least as much into collapse as I am into turnings, ages and civilizations. We look at history through different perspectives. It is just that collapses are so rare as to be nonexistent. Problems like limits to growth and global warming are presenting new challenges. Maybe mining asteroids will help. Maybe recognizing the problems rather than maximizing profits now will help. Maybe developing areas like Canada and Siberia which have remained underdeveloped due to cold climates will help. I can’t see what shape the next crisis resolution will take. Yes, a series of mass extinctions is taking place. Yes the problems we will hit by next awakening will make a new definition of insurrection seem trivial. But I don’t see a problem which is not in time solvable. In the long run human population has exploded, if anything too fast. What you call collapses are mere glitches.
When you run into limits to growth, you limit growth. That can be a solution as much as a problem.
With global warming, overpopulation and a more diverse population, things are changing for prudent reasons. This does not necessarily indicate collapse, but rational response to stimulus. We are hitting the limits to growth so we should properly limit growth. This does not indicate collapse. All the conditions mentioned are real. The answer is better health care, not bans on women’s health or repealing Obamacare. None of the issues are likely to lead to collapse of the whole system.
Not that a little exaggerated panic that shakes people awake would hurt just now.
We did have a dip in population associated with the Covid pandemic. It came. It went. It does not indicate a permanent condition.
The insurrection is called so by most everybody. You are not going to dismiss a commonly used word to humor your eccentricity. Dream on. I note, however, that a war, revolution or similar large scale uprising is more necessary in an autocratic environment. If Putin’s expansionism or China’s economic collapse go far enough, a step towards functional democracy is likely to involve a potent movement. In some parts of the world, democracy is enough.
Things change. As one problem is addressed, and humans are still mortal, something else will develop. Nothing you list is unaddressable. Nothing there would cause a collapse. I understand you are at least as much into collapse as I am into turnings, ages and civilizations. We look at history through different perspectives. It is just that collapses are so rare as to be nonexistent. Problems like limits to growth and global warming are presenting new challenges. Maybe mining asteroids will help. Maybe recognizing the problems rather than maximizing profits now will help. Maybe developing areas like Canada and Siberia which have remained underdeveloped due to cold climates will help. I can’t see what shape the next crisis resolution will take. Yes, a series of mass extinctions is taking place. Yes the problems we will hit by next awakening will make a new definition of insurrection seem trivial. But I don’t see a problem which is not in time solvable. In the long run human population has exploded, if anything too fast. What you call collapses are mere glitches.
When you run into limits to growth, you limit growth. That can be a solution as much as a problem.
