I am seeing the opposite. People are moving from religious to secular perspectives. The religious inflexibility which John’s mother represents is becoming less popular. In issues like prejudice, conquest and abortion, the controlling other’s culture positions are not new, the equality and freedom positions more popular. You don't try to impose your culture on others. This is not really moral relativism. You help the victims of these policies. In terms of demographics, the secular positions look to have the edge.
The migrants pouring into Europe are not pro-LGBT. Gays will be thrown from rooftops, at the very least attacked in public. Women will be put in their place. The rape wave has taught the leftists nothing.
This is a stronger trend in the West than among Muslims, at least in this crisis.
I have had no real opinion of Pope Francis, but it seems he is more for being right on ethics than consistent with age old positions. This may turn some people off, but I sympathize with both sides. The people are moving. If the Church is going to survive, he has to move with them.
His church is wishy washy.
What I meant was that the people who remain religious will be the ones in more conservative groups, not the wishy washy ones.
People need the spiritual. Now wokeism is a new kind of deranged religion. Isis was able to tap into he shallowness of post-Christian Europe and recruit hundreds, perhaps thousands of secular Europeans of Christian background into their army.
I can agree the people who remain religious will be more conservative.
I will disagree that people need the spiritual. The world is becoming more secular. Those who do not need religion are numerous and content. If you do not recognize the world as shifting, you certainly won’t be with Pope Francis. See him as moving to keep up with a changing base.
Is the secular / democratic position wishy washy? Are BLM, the Ukrainians and pro choice people wishy washy? You might wish it so, but they are on top of this crisis.
BLM is part of the racist and hypocritical insanity sweeping the West. It is a new religion, like ISIS. Like the poster said, people need the spiritual...
I am coming to believe the issues of this and prior American crises have featured one conservative group trying to control another culture. The white supremacists try to maintain dominance over the blacks, the Russians over the Ukrainians, the religious fanatics over women. I go into more depth on this on my own thread. This is wider than the abortion question, but people don’t like it when another bunch of people tries to control them. In recent crises, those being controlled are not wishy washy about it, but come out ahead. I could see it going the same way this time.
Woke rubbish.
ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) is not the bulk of the Muslims who moved to the west. Those that moved were those most sympathetic with western values. Those that remained were more in tune with the middle eastern autocratic culture. We have to be careful to maintain the western ideal of religious freedom. We have to allow them to practice their religion as they wish. Still, it is an instinct to try to control those who are different. We have to recognize it an suppress it.
Debatable. The average Muslim in Europe chooses to ghettoize. I see that in France and Germany. You really don't know what you are talking about.