Societal collapse

[FullMoon]

BB and his ilk don't want 'justice'; they want 'JUSTICE', that is the BLM kind of justice: bringing down the man anyway possible and getting lots of free stuff, either from the government or through street violence and theft. They want Stalinist show trials and gulags.

Understand that, and you are already home.

There's a very significant amount of people who believe as Bob does. That's why it's being done. THAT many people believe despite clear evidence to the contrary. Sure, Trump is too much of a TV celebrity and doofus. But his time was peaceful compared to now. And to cover the horrible job and criminality of the current POTUS, they'll resort to this drama distraction. Probably to help China in their own ambitions.

[FullMoon]

Everyone knows what the problems are, but it is a crime to express it. We must speak in code. Let me try.

1882 demographics were very different. The cities have been flooded with the 3rd world and have become 3rd world. Shockingly violent crime has been imported into the UK by clueless, liberal dolts who have now fled into the countryside and left the rest of the population to die in the cities. The UK has imported millions of unskilled and violent migrants (mostly military age males) that lack the ability and work ethic to contribute to a modern country. And they prowl the streets looking to take what they are unwilling to work for. The tax base is being broken under all of the dead weight. Hiring quotas and wokery are destroying once highly profitable and innovative companies. Universities have been corrupted and destroyed by political correctness and moral cowardice. How can anyone expect the country to be in any other condition than it is now?

Like ancient Rome, we have enabled our destroyers. The same can be said of the United States.

It's all that and more.
Looking like the fourth fourth turning might turn differently.
Glubb. The fate of empires.
2026 is 250 years and looks something like the end of an empire or change to something else.

[Bob Butler]

It's all that and more.
Looking like the fourth fourth turning might turn differently.
Glubb. The fate of empires.
2026 is 250 years and looks something like the end of an empire or change to something else.

Sorta like we hit an age boundary?

[FullMoon]

It's all that and more.
Looking like the fourth fourth turning might turn differently.
Glubb. The fate of empires.
2026 is 250 years and looks something like the end of an empire or change to something else.

Sorta like we hit an age boundary?

Imperial age boundary seems reached. Romans shifted conservative and moved their capital to continue. Fancy buildings are still there but hasn't been an empire for...

[Bob Butler]

The immediate question is whether the attorney generals and the Supreme Court push the 14th.

A federal judge in South Florida dismissed a lawsuit challenging Donald Trump's eligibility to be president in Florida under the 14th Amendment.The plaintiffs do not plan to appeal. Trump is facing similar 14th Amendment challenges in other states, including one in New Hampshire this week that is not expected to succeed.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/trump ... d/1132976/

From what I'm able to gather, the judge decided a voter did not have adequate individual standing. You have to be personally involved in some damage to have standing, and each voter doesn't count. Perhaps a candidate or attorney general responsible for putting names on ballots does have standing.

[Bob Butler]

Imperial age boundary seems reached. Romans shifted conservative and moved their capital to continue. Fancy buildings are still there but hasn't been an empire for...

Not the same time span. There were many empires. Alexander the Great, Rome, Spain, France, Britain. Ages go...

Age, weapons, commercial power, information, government...
Agriculture, muscle powered, animal, written word, hereditary
Industrial, gunpowder, steam, printed word, representative government
Information, nuclear, renewable, computer, TBD

Each sge has a unique pattern. Lessons learned in one age must be confirmed crossing an age boundary. Empires? Not so much. The change might be greater than an S&H turning, but less than an age. Not to say that all three might have changed over the time span mentioned.

[Guest]

BB and his ilk don't want 'justice'; they want 'JUSTICE', that is the BLM kind of justice: bringing down the man anyway possible and getting lots of free stuff, either from the government or through street violence and theft. They want Stalinist show trials and gulags.

Understand that, and you are already home.

Not sure you labeled it right. Black Lives Matter justice was originally that police should not kill out of prejudice. That seems to have caught. The spree killers these days tend to be civilians, whether targeting minorities or not. Not to say we don’t have other problems. I’d also say the Democrats want rule of law, that insurrection should be punished. Not the same as wanting ‘Stalinist show trials and gulags’.

To get ‘home’, think on the two instincts. Are you going with hate, oppression and killing those who are different, or love thy neighbor? Are you for spree killing, censorship and conflict, or sanctuary cities and working to improve the economy? That is the appropriate lens, or at least the one I would use. You could make up imaginary unflattering motivations of the other side, or ask someone from the other side their motivations.

On other topics, the long discussion of the 14th Amendment above doesn’t really matter. In a crisis, the progressive faction wins, the conservative viewpoint collapses. This time around, the 2024 civic generation efforts to address reproductive health care, spree killing, rule of law, attacking climate change, etc, will cause a belief in oppression, hatred and conflict to fall aside. The question is whether the Republican Party can survive. The 14th Amendment is one way of clearing MAGA from the picture. It gives a chance for the Reagan Bush Bush unravelling mindset to make a comeback against the Trump crisis approach. It creates a question of what sort of person will lead the Republican Party.

Sarah Palin and Trump have been the only two people that seem able to connect with the Republican base and fight the older unraveling pattern. As long as Trump is alive, I don’t see a possibility of a third person taking over. Trump has no reason to let his influence fade. Even in a jail cell, he could hang on the the Republican base voters, thus shooting the Republican Party in the foot. Still, if the 14th Amendment were invoked, the Republicans still have to nominate somebody. I don’t see the new party leader being DeSantis. His campaign seems to be dying. None of the others seem a threat yet to Biden, but somebody might try to pull the party away from MAGA.

This is not to say the Reagan Bush Bush mindset could return. Sarah Palin started the crisis mindset with a distrust of the wealthy. Trump continued it by embracing prejudice and government enforcement of religious doctrine, not to mention insurrection. There is arguably a need for a party that is conservative overall, but rejects the influence of the wealthy and supports rule of law without embracing the rejection of minorities, censorship and insurrection. Not sure if any of the current candidates fit that bill, but our system suggests that some second party has got to exist to confront the Democrats. The 14th if invoked could create a little wiggle room for the Republicans to hang on to being that other party.

This is truly the mouth of madness.

[Another guest]

BB and his ilk don't want 'justice'; they want 'JUSTICE', that is the BLM kind of justice: bringing down the man anyway possible and getting lots of free stuff, either from the government or through street violence and theft. They want Stalinist show trials and gulags.

Understand that, and you are already home.

Not sure you labeled it right. Black Lives Matter justice was originally that police should not kill out of prejudice. That seems to have caught. The spree killers these days tend to be civilians, whether targeting minorities or not. Not to say we don’t have other problems. I’d also say the Democrats want rule of law, that insurrection should be punished. Not the same as wanting ‘Stalinist show trials and gulags’.

To get ‘home’, think on the two instincts. Are you going with hate, oppression and killing those who are different, or love thy neighbor? Are you for spree killing, censorship and conflict, or sanctuary cities and working to improve the economy? That is the appropriate lens, or at least the one I would use. You could make up imaginary unflattering motivations of the other side, or ask someone from the other side their motivations.

On other topics, the long discussion of the 14th Amendment above doesn’t really matter. In a crisis, the progressive faction wins, the conservative viewpoint collapses. This time around, the 2024 civic generation efforts to address reproductive health care, spree killing, rule of law, attacking climate change, etc, will cause a belief in oppression, hatred and conflict to fall aside. The question is whether the Republican Party can survive. The 14th Amendment is one way of clearing MAGA from the picture. It gives a chance for the Reagan Bush Bush unravelling mindset to make a comeback against the Trump crisis approach. It creates a question of what sort of person will lead the Republican Party.

Sarah Palin and Trump have been the only two people that seem able to connect with the Republican base and fight the older unraveling pattern. As long as Trump is alive, I don’t see a possibility of a third person taking over. Trump has no reason to let his influence fade. Even in a jail cell, he could hang on the the Republican base voters, thus shooting the Republican Party in the foot. Still, if the 14th Amendment were invoked, the Republicans still have to nominate somebody. I don’t see the new party leader being DeSantis. His campaign seems to be dying. None of the others seem a threat yet to Biden, but somebody might try to pull the party away from MAGA.

This is not to say the Reagan Bush Bush mindset could return. Sarah Palin started the crisis mindset with a distrust of the wealthy. Trump continued it by embracing prejudice and government enforcement of religious doctrine, not to mention insurrection. There is arguably a need for a party that is conservative overall, but rejects the influence of the wealthy and supports rule of law without embracing the rejection of minorities, censorship and insurrection. Not sure if any of the current candidates fit that bill, but our system suggests that some second party has got to exist to confront the Democrats. The 14th if invoked could create a little wiggle room for the Republicans to hang on to being that other party.

This is truly the mouth of madness.

Oh, so you've noticed.

[FullMoon]

He has lots of thoughts but in confusion similar to lunacy. He says there's plenty of people who listen to him on other blogs.. and there are plenty of lunatics out there. Confused masses

[Bob Butler]

He has lots of thoughts but in confusion similar to lunacy. He says there's plenty of people who listen to him on other blogs.. and there are plenty of lunatics out there. Confused masses

If you want to get rid of Trump without taking the blame by working against him and earning the wrath of the MAGA voters, you'd quietly root for the 14th. If you are genuinely MAGA and pro Trump, you wouldn't. Either way, there is little that an average voter who lacks 'standing' could do. The silence on the subject is loud.