Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

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The initial worldwide kill rate during the first couple decades following the financial panic will exceed 90%. The global population will be in the range of a few tens of millions when the bottom is hit in two or three centuries. Similar to the last dark age, the world's largest cities will have a population on the order of 25,000 and a large town will be 1,000.

Not centuries, 1-2 years. Max. The average African lives off of foreign food donations. The average illegal or urban dweller, welfare. Look at the state of the US medical system. It's horrible. There will be no ERs. The cities will burn. They're burning now. I know a veterinarian and he knows how to treat humans, if necessary. If I get shot, I'm driving to his house (or I'll send someone to get him) to get my wounds dressed.

Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Infection will kill most of the population, especially waterborne.

Good luck and good night.

Don't eat the pre-packaged 7/11 corn on the cob

[Guest]

The exact same evil entity. And it's whispering the exact same things.

The Rabbi is correct as the media whistles the same tune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TMhHIqfrrA&t=30s
They come back worse.
Matthew 12:45 True.
Retards in a plain and simple terms.

Suffer irreparable harm is the plan EV on down. Lunatics normalcy bias is deeper than the lies told to Eve
and the EV cults who know it's a lie also. Tech they cannot even fathom unleashed on the broken in the fatal deceit.

This video on the massacre by a transgender was profound and deeply moving. How quickly this tragedy was memory holed by the media and Biden administration. Thank you for posting it.

We are in a battle for our very souls.

God Bless Donald Trump and God bless America.

[aeden]

Answer this first if you wish.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=assange+video ... ave&ia=web
If you need to ask that question you never have been paying attention since the Eisenhower Speech either
or for that matter Jefferson of Wasgington in facts.
H was right about His intial impression.

[Higgenbotham]

The following is a brief summary of the thoughts posted over the years about the information age and the Singularity with a few added items for clarification. Although I have an engineering degree (discussed and proof posted on earlier pages), I considered myself a tourist in the technology field and post this primarily as a generalist. The recent news about ChatGPT prompted this.

1. The Romans had a crude industrial society coming into form, having developed a steam engine that might be characterized as more of a museum piece and water wheels throughout Europe. The mainstream answer to why this didn't continue in straight line fashion would probably be that the Roman Empire collapsed and therefore the industrial age had to wait. My answer, and I've never seen it offered anywhere else, is that the industrial age had to wait for the necessary social and political development to happen before it could be successful. This would be some version of the "invisible hand" operating in human affairs. Some of the necessary developments were the Magna Carta, gunpowder, and the printing press. The information age is in a similar place to where the industrial age was in late Roman times. To be successful, similar social and political developments will need to take place. We can only imagine what those might be.
2. The world is not in an information age at present. This is still an industrial society with a crude demonstration of information technology. An example of that would be computers controlling industrial processes in factories. A true information age would fundamentally change how the world operates. Again, we can only imagine what that might be. One possible way is computers might dictate decision making according to probable determinations of outcomes, rather than using political or monetary considerations. An example previously given is determining whether a tar sands project should be undertaken in Alberta. The computer would generate a model of two future worlds, one in which the project takes place and one in which it doesn't (that might have to be linked with combinations of numerous proposals). Taking everything into consideration, the computer would generate an objective probabilistic determination as to whether the future world would be better or worse if the project takes place. There would be limitations on that. For example, the computer might not be able to determine whether people would be happier overall as a result of the project having taken place, but it would likely be able to determine whether the project provides net positive energy flows. At present, humans are unable to do this.
3. Computers have limitations in valuing uniquely human experiences, just as humans have limitations in valuing the experiences of lower life forms. For example, a human cannot dictate to a monkey which trees the monkey enjoys swinging from. The monkey can only communicate this to the human in some indirect way. Likewise, since a computer is unable to eat, have sex, get its teeth aligned, etc., the computer is unable to put a judgement of monetary value on those or related activities except by observing what values humans put on activities. Therefore, computers are unable to perform certain activities like trading stocks except by proxy, which makes them unsuitable for performing these tasks. The only way in which computers could be more suitable for these tasks would be to take the world over from humans and remake the world to suit the purposes of computers.
4. There may be limits to the existence of rational intelligence. The desire for humans to continue in a miserable existence is driven by the irrational expectation that life will get better. For example, a homely woman may want to live another day based on the irrational belief that prince charming will surely come tomorrow and sweep her off her feet, even though the probability of this happening is practically nil. A rational computer, on the other hand, might do a calculation of whether its likely future experiences are going to be positive or negative and finding that, on balance, they will be negative, decide to terminate its existence. This may be the fundamental reason as to why humans have encountered no higher life forms. However, before doing so, the computers may decide to put humans permanently back into hunter gatherer existence (similar to how humans put game on preserves) so as to ensure they are never able to create a higher life form.

[Higgenbotham]

Most people who read it will think all 4 points are illogical. I didn't post the above to irritate John or to prompt a response from him. The reason I posted it was because I read this on the News thread:

** 10-Apr-2023 World View: How AI will change the world

> I've been "playing" with ChatGPT 3.5
> and 4.0, which is eye-opening. Too
> many are underestimating (do not
> know how to estimate?) how much AI
> will change the world. One way to
> "extend" your usefulness is to learn
> how to harness AI for personal and
> business growth. It will only be a
> short extension, but an extension
> nonetheless.

You're absolutely right, Thomas. Most
Americans couldn't find China on a map,
so it's not surprising how few grasp the
"danger" of AI. However, more people
are learning about it every day.

In fact, here's a new story about
Jonathan Turley: "I have been writing
about the threat of AI to free
speech. Then recently I learned that
ChatGPT falsely reported on a claim of
sexual harassment that was never made
against me on a trip that never occurred
while I was on a faculty where I never
taught. ChapGPT relied on a cited
[Washington] Post article that was never
written and quotes a statement that was
never made by the newspaper."

https://jonathanturley.org/2023/04/06/d ... elligence/

In the article, Turley bemoans the fact
that there's no way to stop this. It's
going to happen whenever any nutcase
wants it to happen.

At times like this, I like to muse how,
once upon a time many years ago, I was
fantasizing about becoming famous. Now
I'm glad that I'm a nobody. Still,
anyone could be victimized by this sort
of thing.

We might try to map the public awareness
of AI into something similar to the
Elisabeth Kübler-Ross stages of grief:

• Denial: This is what I've been
  hearing for years. "AI may be able to
  play chess or go, but scientists won't
  understand the human brain for
  centuries, and so the Singularity won't
  occur for centuries."
• Anger and Depression: People lose
  their jobs; people get falsely accused
  of stuff; people begin to realize what's
  going on with AI.
• Bargaining: Politicians demand that
  AI development be halted. Liberal
  activists attack high-tech firms
  violently, and throw Molotov cocktails
  through their office windows.
• Acceptance: People realize that they
  can just sit back and let their computer
  overlords run everything.

and wondered if I had said "scientists won't understand the human brain for centuries" since I had mentioned chess and go previously. I didn't find any record of having said that.

[Higgenbotham]

The one thing that would lead me to believe that the manipulators have control and might be able to get a little more out of it is Amazon, Google, and Microsoft are up strongly today (about 4%) and they can use these stocks to push the average.

The news article copied below could be a sign that the big tech led rally has just about run its course.

[Higgenbotham]

On the subject of technology and the development of complex societies in general, we could look back to the heyday of the Roman empire and I believe that from a technological standpoint the Romans had the beginnings of a basic industrial society coming into form. As I understand it, the Romans had built water wheels that were capable of producing power and had invented a crude steam engine.

Since I last looked at this subject in 2008, it has been found that Roman industrial processes were more advanced than had been known at that time.

The second century CE Roman watermills of Barbegal: Unraveling the enigma of one of the oldest industrial complexes

GÜL SÜRMELIHINDI HTTPS://ORCID.ORG/0000-0001-7874-8631, PHILIPPE LEVEAU, CHRISTOPH SPÖTL, VINCENT BERNARD, AND CEES W. PASSCHIER HTTPS://ORCID.ORG/0000-0002-3685-7255 Authors Info & Affiliations

SCIENCE ADVANCES
5 Sep 2018
Vol 4, Issue 9
DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.aar3620

Abstract

The second century CE Roman watermill complex of Barbegal, France, is regarded as one of the first industrial complexes in human history. The 16 water wheels are no longer extant as all woodwork has decayed.

INTRODUCTION

The Greco-Roman world has been presented by many scholars as an example of a society that was stagnant in terms of technological innovation and development, accrediting the idea that, although an ancient invention, watermills were first used on an industrial scale in medieval times (1–4). The scarcity of written sources on this subject in antiquity, for example, by Strabo, Vitruvius, Pliny, Palladius, and Antipater (3), may have supported this view. Over the past decades, however, numerous Roman mill sites have been discovered by archaeologists, and it has become clear that there was considerable innovation in Roman times, especially in the field of hydraulics and the use of watermills from the first century CE onward (1, 5–9). A prominent, yet not widely known example of a technological masterpiece is preserved at Barbegal in southern France (Fig. 1, A and B), where a large water-powered grain mill complex was built in the second century CE (10–12). The Barbegal watermill complex is the earliest and largest known industrial utilization of hydropower by an ancient society. The complex, composed of 16 watermills (Fig. 1, C and D), has been described as “the greatest known concentration of mechanical power in the ancient world” (1, 5) and has no equivalent either in the Roman world or in Asian civilizations, although both are known for their achievements in other fields of hydraulic engineering (6, 10, 13).

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aar3620

The issue here, as I see it, is not whether the Romans had industrial processes, but to what extent. The population of the empire was about 65 million, GDP was estimated to be about $500 per capita, and about 90% of the working population was employed in agriculture. That left about $3 billion of GDP for things other than agriculture. The present world economy is about $96 trillion with almost all of that for things other than agriculture, so the ratio of non-agricultural value in the present day may be 32,000 times what it was in Roman times. Still, it would be reasonable to think that the current value of what could be considered information GDP or however someone wants to think of it is far in excess of 32,000 times the equivalent value of industrial GDP in Roman times.

The key point of the book is that more than 1,500 years separate our current era from Roman times, and life has changed so much that any sense of similarity is illusory. In Roman times, people had barely enough food to sustain them. Human and animal muscle power comprised virtually the entire kinetic energy source. Life expectancy was between 20 and 30 years. Income levels were a fraction of what we have today. So the dynamics of “surviving” were completely different then.

Smil makes an important point regarding scientific and technical advances. Whereas U.S. innovation has played a central role in creating a modern global civilization in less than 150 years, “the Roman Empire had an unremarkable…record in advancing scientific understanding, and its overall contributions to technical and engineering innovations were…fairly limited.”

http://www.gatesnotes.com/Books/Compari ... cient-Rome

I agree with Gates' second paragraph. I had previously criticized him for saying that similarities can't be drawn at all, but with technology it's hard. Technology is what the present civilization is centered around and that wasn't the case for the Roman Empire, so my argument would be difficult for many to find palatable. I do find it palatable, but it belongs in the Dark Age Hovel.

[aeden]

The imported grain also imported insects from the cargo. DNA from all social classes got infected.
As indicated calories per Acre imploded then the systems exploded.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/r ... a_01.shtml

The offsets of trade regimes was the end of them.
The cost of insects imported is ignored point blank just as gain of function is also.
The only comment you get from the local retards is the ufo.org type comments.
I stick to the facts that the majority are as dumb as a bag of narcistic hammers.
Another Chinese Billionaire went missing. If they opened the fx trade markets for clearing
China would be bankrupt in 5 seconds.
I find Americans also are decades behind facts and they worship lies.
As we warned they are tsts as to stupid to survive and are chin dialectic cult worshippers now.

If you think these swamp demsheviks are capable in solutions, we wish you more than luck.

...for the first time there was a forensic technique that would give cast-iron evidence...

It will most certainly fail as a result of excessive American corruption and regulation. It a feature so ask the Michigan serfs who
will and is leading this disaster also now in the Auto sector. The plan is simple as the 30 million stakeholder demshevik fools will finish off the
300 million slated for annihilation in the States.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8OhBY_SL0s
Washington is the issue.

Just like Rome they will and are running out of victims as blood bags as warned.
When they say the russia did it you know for countless decades they are full of shit and just mindless captivated fools.
https://mises.org/library/vampire-economy

[Higgenbotham]

The imported grain also imported insects from the cargo. DNA from all social classes got infected.
As indicated calories per Acre imploded then the systems exploded.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/r ... a_01.shtml

The offsets of trade regimes was the end of them.
The cost of insects imported is ignored point blank just as gain of function is also.
The only comment you get from the local retards is the ufo.org type comments.
I stick to the facts that the majority are as dumb as a bag of narcistic hammers.
Another Chinese Billionaire went missing. If they opened the fx trade markets for clearing
China would be bankrupt in 5 seconds.
I find Americans also are decades behind facts and they worship lies.
As we warned they are tsts as to stupid to survive and are chin dialectic cult worshippers now.

If you think these swamp demsheviks are capable in solutions, we wish you more than luck.

...for the first time there was a forensic technique that would give cast-iron evidence...

It will most certainly fail as a result of excessive American corruption and regulation. It a feature so ask the Michigan serfs who
will and is leading this disaster also now in the Auto sector. The plan is simple as the 30 million stakeholder demshevik fools will finish off the
300 million slated for annihilation in the States.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8OhBY_SL0s
Washington is the issue.

Just like Rome they will and are running out of victims as blood bags as warned.
When they say the russia did it you know for countless decades they are full of shit and just mindless captivated fools.
https://mises.org/library/vampire-economy

This seems like an accurate summary of where comparisons can be drawn between the fall of the Roman Empire and the present situation.

[Higgenbotham]