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[Guest]

When will war between the US and China breakout? Timeline?

I doubt it will break out. China's economy is a mess. They need the remnants of globalism, one of the few areas that is still working. They need the oil, and don't have a navy capable of defending it in the Indian Ocean. Putin's Ukraine war has let them see what would happen. China has made a lot of enemies, most of whom have started to work together.

Who knows how desperate Xi will get, though. If you have nothing left to do except something stupid...

China Confronts U.S. Warship as Tension Grows Over Flashpoint: "Drove it Away"

https://www.newsweek.com/china-us-south ... xi-1846925

[Bob Butler]

China Confronts U.S. Warship as Tension Grows Over Flashpoint: "Drove it Away"

Yep, People attempt to sieze territory. As the US is likely see it, the US destroyer was demonstrating that China was unwilling to violate the law of the seas as recognized by everybody but China. This is likely for the reasons I stated above. Xi isn't that desperate yet.

[FullMoon]

When will war between the US and China breakout? Timeline?

I doubt it will break out. China's economy is a mess. They need the remnants of globalism, one of the few areas that is still working. They need the oil, and don't have a navy capable of defending it in the Indian Ocean. Putin's Ukraine war has let them see what would happen. China has made a lot of enemies, most of whom have started to work together.

Who knows how desperate Xi will get, though. If you have nothing left to do except something stupid...

This is pretty good for Bob. Mostly accurate and succinct.
That's why it doesn't seem imminent.

But this crazy world is changing so fast, and they've already prepared sufficiently for a conflict.
They'll push harder and be more brazen henceforth until a resolution is come about either through mutual destruction or themselves gaining the upper hand. They have lots of cards up their sleeves to play when the time comes. We've been asleep at the wheel distracted with false existential threats and maniacal social movements. No wonder we seem weak

[Cool Breeze]

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Why did you deactivate your account?

I was trying to change the password and at the same time changed the email to an incorrect one. The setting is inactive til verification. Thanks.

[Cool Breeze]

Hi guys, one thing that hasn't happened yet is the protesters in Ireland and other European countries and I would say in most of the world haven't realized that the Politicians, cops , media personnel and all the other people who run the systems that are causing them harm , all have houses and people they care about. As the comedian and entertainer Sam Hyde ones said " the world is not dying, it is being murdered and the people that are killing it all have names , faces, and addresses. If this connection happens than I think things will get extra spicy. Now I am not calling for violence, I am pointing out another angle that has not happened yet but is within the realm of possibilities. I am curious about your opinions on this.

I've talked about this for a while, and you note something that is very important and like Sri Lanka, can happen at any moment. Notice that when they burned down the president or premier's place it was because no food had grown due to his selling out to the WEF for altered crop production/no production. Most of the west is still hanging on because it's old populations have money, won't fight, and have "too much to lose" in entitlements. They can take care of the youth they raised to be spoiled, largely, because the youth can lean on them and not the crappy economy with little opportunity. If you make it these days you're either particularly successful or not really at all. It's just how bad the "developed" world has become.

[Cool Breeze]

When will war between the US and China breakout? Timeline?

I doubt it will break out. China's economy is a mess. They need the remnants of globalism, one of the few areas that is still working. They need the oil, and don't have a navy capable of defending it in the Indian Ocean. Putin's Ukraine war has let them see what would happen. China has made a lot of enemies, most of whom have started to work together.

Who knows how desperate Xi will get, though. If you have nothing left to do except something stupid...

This is the only thing Bish and I have largely agreed on, or at least put a high probability that John's guarantees may not come true (in anywhere near a timeline he stated), regarding China. Xi's visit seems to show that they are dependent, moreso than most pundits think, on the existing world (dis)order as is.

Of course, we don't see eye to eye on his thoughts on the Ukraine war, nor do I see it the same way as John does. Of course, late to the party, and proving that we (the crowd that saw the whole thing as nonsense and death with a hefty does of NATO propaganda and more mayhem) correct, we finally have even mainstream admission:

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/its-ti ... t-f6d0b8de

So even when Bish gets lucky on one, he biffs another.

[Navigator]

When will war between the US and China breakout? Timeline?

I doubt it will break out. China's economy is a mess. They need the remnants of globalism, one of the few areas that is still working. They need the oil, and don't have a navy capable of defending it in the Indian Ocean. Putin's Ukraine war has let them see what would happen. China has made a lot of enemies, most of whom have started to work together.

Who knows how desperate Xi will get, though. If you have nothing left to do except something stupid...

This is pretty good for Bob. Mostly accurate and succinct.
That's why it doesn't seem imminent.

But this crazy world is changing so fast, and they've already prepared sufficiently for a conflict.
They'll push harder and be more brazen henceforth until a resolution is come about either through mutual destruction or themselves gaining the upper hand. They have lots of cards up their sleeves to play when the time comes. We've been asleep at the wheel distracted with false existential threats and maniacal social movements. No wonder we seem weak

Everything has been in place to create the conditions for China to go over the edge for a couple of years now. It could happen anytime, and is the "end-game" option for the CCP.

Somehow China weathered the Evergrande collapse. Now, the much larger development firm CountryGarden (which is about 4 times the size of Evergrande) is about to go under. On top of that, the number one resource for local governments - selling land to developers, is drying up as a result of these failures. Economically, the CCP is losing it.

In the area of warfare, I believe they are trying to incorporate as many of the "lessons learned" from the Ukraine war (which is the modern equivalent of the pre-WW1 Balkan wars or the pre-WW2 Spanish civil war). They could be building a large drone based attack force for which there is insufficient defense.

But more than anything else, I think it will be driven by an economic crisis. Which, BTW, we are certainly not immune to at this point either.

[Guest]

Not to mention that Biden doesn't stand a snowballs chance in Hell of winning in 2024.

[FullMoon]

I doubt it will break out. China's economy is a mess. They need the remnants of globalism, one of the few areas that is still working. They need the oil, and don't have a navy capable of defending it in the Indian Ocean. Putin's Ukraine war has let them see what would happen. China has made a lot of enemies, most of whom have started to work together.

Who knows how desperate Xi will get, though. If you have nothing left to do except something stupid...

This is pretty good for Bob. Mostly accurate and succinct.
That's why it doesn't seem imminent.

But this crazy world is changing so fast, and they've already prepared sufficiently for a conflict.
They'll push harder and be more brazen henceforth until a resolution is come about either through mutual destruction or themselves gaining the upper hand. They have lots of cards up their sleeves to play when the time comes. We've been asleep at the wheel distracted with false existential threats and maniacal social movements. No wonder we seem weak

Everything has been in place to create the conditions for China to go over the edge for a couple of years now. It could happen anytime, and is the "end-game" option for the CCP.

Somehow China weathered the Evergrande collapse. Now, the much larger development firm CountryGarden (which is about 4 times the size of Evergrande) is about to go under. On top of that, the number one resource for local governments - selling land to developers, is drying up as a result of these failures. Economically, the CCP is losing it.

In the area of warfare, I believe they are trying to incorporate as many of the "lessons learned" from the Ukraine war (which is the modern equivalent of the pre-WW1 Balkan wars or the pre-WW2 Spanish civil war). They could be building a large drone based attack force for which there is insufficient defense.

But more than anything else, I think it will be driven by an economic crisis. Which, BTW, we are certainly not immune to at this point either.

A young Chinese posted this on a since deleted comment:

'We used to think N Korea was our past, but now see it as our future '.

They're already deep into financial/economic crisis and they know it. They're going backwards remarkably fast. But for preparing the populace for war, they're maybe ahead of us.
They keep having troubles with the military which probably concerns Xi, who is already naturally cautious.
There's been so many encounters and near misses lately in the Sea that they perhaps are trying to get a brash soldier to sacrifice himself or a ship in order to justify a forceful blockade of areas which they already have claimed. No more freedom of navigation or foreign military through the Taiwan straight or all the other contested areas. Of which they'll use grey zone tactics more forcefully with the brink of war during any encounter.
At the same time continue they're efforts in the Middle East and US domestic Leftist allies with a 20' repeat of unrest. They'll be wanting to knock us out without destroying themselves at the same time. They're military abilities are not tested and they don't want to risk ruination like the Russians. They're much stronger in non military methods and it makes sense that that's where they'll hope to succeed.

[Cool Breeze]

Everything has been in place to create the conditions for China to go over the edge for a couple of years now. It could happen anytime, and is the "end-game" option for the CCP.

Gordon Chang has been saying this for over 20 years, Zeihan the other doom sayer for nearly as long, Kyle Bass has even been on the scene ... and zilch, zero, nada, zippity-doo-da.

At some point you might ask yourself "What am I missing?" instead of doubling down into oblivion, and losing all credibility in the process.